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Old 11-01-2004, 09:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Generation III questions

I want some brutally honest and unbiased opinions about last years of Gen III -- '95 and '96.

I am only interested in manuals but I am trying to decide between 4 and 6cyl. I don't care for performance but want great mileage. At least 29MPG on highway-only. 31mpg would thrill my soul.

I want to know about the engine sludge problem I keep hearing about. How real is this? What about oil leaks?

Suspension issues?

Timing chain or timing belt, and how often does it fail? Interference engine or not?

I do almost all work myself and want to know how hard it's to maintain it. Typical wear items. Plugs, alternators, radiators, O2 sensors, etc. What's up with the tiny oil filter? Is there a bigger aftermarket oil filter? When buying a Camry, say with 100K miles, what specific items should I pay attention to, and what maintenance records should I want to see? AC compressor swap? Timing belts done? Is OBDII easy to read on it?

I am a cheap soul and I care about cheap replacement parts. I would imagine there are plenty of Gen III at junk yards in case I need a headlight.

Any other issues or comments are welcome. I am trying to decide between '95/'96 Camry and same years Subaru Legacy, both wagons and both 5-speeds. ( I do realize both look mighty ugly, but practical they are ) I think it will have around 100K miles. Lots of life left but also room for "issues".
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alot of this stuff can be found in the search but...

as far as gas mileage a 4cyl(31 hwy is possible w/5spd) is clearly ur best option, the v6 has a very satisfying amount of power though(drive another camry that is for sale in your area that is a v6 and see if you like it)

suspension issues: the struts in my 95 v6 auto were changed @ 120K miles because it was pretty bouncy. it now sports monroe sensa-tracs. i think i would have gone with the tokico blues had i done it but i bought the car used. although i am not unhappy with the monroes, they perform fine, i would have preferred the stiffer tokicos. other than that i had the rear stabilizer bar bushings replaced because it was making a loud rattle sound from the rear. it sounded like there was something always making noise in my trunk.

both the v6 and 4cyl have timing belts that have recommended replacement intervals of 60000 miles. i recall my 93 corolla costing ~$180 for a timing belt replacement. this was a few years ago at a toyota dealership. i remember reading the service invoice and according to the timesheet the mechanic replaced my timing belt in under 2 hours. !!! they must do these all day long. so this leads to ur next question:

these cars are incredibly easy to work on compared to my last car, a 97 vw passat. everything makes sense and there is a ton of support online for frequent repairs and maintenance. use the search and just look. i used this forum for tips on coolant flushes to transmission flushes. also a haynes or similar repair manual always helps!!!

finally when looking at used cars i think proper maintanence by the previous owner is somewhat more important than mileage. a 80000 mile camry with a horrible service history is more likely to have problems than one with 120k miles with a good service history. check the normal wear items and ask questions about the car and see how the seller responds. if he seems shady about something be suspiscious. good luck!!!

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Straight up. I have a 3vz (V6) and it gets 27mpg on an auto tranny. With a manual you would get even better. Along with that, I am pushing over 200,000 miles on it now and still haven't had any problems with the engine.

The only work I have had to do was a tune-up around 170,000. I did water pump, etc. All the basics. Nothing new to keeping a car in good shape.

But mileage is all in how you drive it.
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Dont' worry about the oil filter. Just go to the toyota dealer and buy a new one for like $4 and change. OEM Toyota filters are better than anything else you'll buy aftermarket. (Toyota shares many filters between engines) You can choose between a small one and a larger one. The engine doesn't care which one you use.
Buy the small one, it costs $1.50 less. It's not like an engine is going to clog the filter if it's not about to die anyways.

The 1mz-fe v6 should be able to get you atleast 28mpg on the highway.

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I want to know about the engine sludge problem I keep hearing about. How real is this? What about oil leaks?
Oil *sludging* is caused by simply not changing it at anything near normal mileage. The Lexus brand issued a statement a few years back that engine sludge was only common place for people that left the original OEM oil in the car for over three years without changing it. (that's goes for the 3vz-fe, and the first two iterations of the 1mz-fe)
All Toyota v6 engines from '89 on have full lifetime warrenties on sludge damage so long as you can prove you have changed the oil once in the past year, or 10,000 miles. Sludge is not a common problem for anyone that does any maintanance.

Oil leaks happen eventually with any car. The rear main seal, rear head gasket and rear valve cover are prone to leaking after a relatively short 60,000 mile life. Most of the time you get a normal full life out of them.

1)The valve cover gasket has to deal with the tilted back angle that the rear bank has. (oil has the habit of *pooling* there and not flowing out quickly)
2)The head gaskets can leak. This is a problem most manuf. faced after the federal government banned the use of asbestos as gasket material.
3)The rear main seal is a pain in the ass to change, but most of those that will fail, already have been replaced.

That's the only problems that ever tend to crop up with oil. Don't let me sound like it's often, but when it happens there are your #3 most common big areas.

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what specific items should I pay attention to, and what maintenance records should I want to see?Timing belts done? Is OBDII easy to read?
The only records you need to see when buying any Toyota engine are records of oil changes, and transmission fluid changes are a bonus as well.
You should check the coloration of the transmission fluid. If possible drain some fluid and check for metal flakes. (same as with any car)
To check for oil leaks, take a flashlight and look at back the rear bank on the V6. No oil streaming down the back = good seals. No problems.
The timing belt should last a really long time, but Toyota recommends they be changed every 60,000 miles. My ES was done at a Lexus dealer (they have a computer database woot) at 60,000 miles and it looks almost brand new @ 105,000 miles. Their life is commonly stretched to over 110,000 miles<form own opinions here>, and since toyota makes not interfferance engines. if the timing belt snaps it doesn't matter what position the valves are in. They will not be damaged.
OBDII is very easy to read. They are many aftermarket OBDII systems that are able to read the ECU, and do neat things with the information. (Like accurate HP and TQ to the wheels)

It's an older Toyota, all replacement parts can be had for cheap as long as you don't buy expencive ones from the dealer.


I, personally, would buy the Toyota. Parts are 300X more avalible if something happens and as such they're easier to repair than a subaru. Any mechanic can do the majority of work on them without being confused also. Like you said they don't look silly.
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you can get the 4cyl 5sfe engine up to 35mpg if you treat it with zmax.... my dad a while back treated our 96 camry 4cyl with that stuff, gas mileage went from 31 to 35.... one trip it went up to 38mpg, but that was going a steady 65mph on the freeway non stop for 250 miles.
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Test drive both the 4 and 6.

I went 6, never looking back.

Kinda curious, all those super and turbocharged 4 bangers out there...Whats your consumption like?
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Thanks for the goldmine of information.
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also consider using a sea foam treatment. it should clean the engine internals a bit, particularly on a dated vehicle. It smoothed out the idle in my 95 grand cherokee,95 integra and 93 camry v6. Gas mileage was up slightly as well.
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