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Old 12-03-2004, 07:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stainless Steel Brake Lines

My 99 Camry has very soft brakes. I've read that if I change to ss brake lines it should stiffen them up? Anyone suggest a good manufacturer.
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If your Camry has soft brakes it's some other problem.
Get new & better pads, with rotors and bleed the brakes.
SS lines will help, but you have to do every other brake ugprade FIRST. Not swap to SS lines first. There is no point to anything near stock brakes and SS lines.

Besides... There are a lot of problems associated with SS lines.
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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okay, so I need to get better rotors and swap my drums for rear rotors? If so, I have done the search on this and as far as I can tell, all I really need for the changeover to rear rotors, is the backing plate, calipers, rotors, and brake lines. Is this right or am I missing more?
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If your Camry has soft brakes it's some other problem.
Get new & better pads, with rotors and bleed the brakes.
SS lines will help, but you have to do every other brake ugprade FIRST. Not swap to SS lines first. There is no point to anything near stock brakes and SS lines.

Besides... There are a lot of problems associated with SS lines.
Fill me in on said problems with the braided SS lines?
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Most of the so called "kits" are very low quality and do not last long.
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Old 12-03-2004, 09:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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SS lines will help te pedal feel even if you have NO OTHER brake mods done.

I bought mine from Nopi

http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/...TOKEN=45221016

I can't remember the brand right off, it did make a difference in the pedal feel, especially on a hot day.

Toyota is notorious for having a spongy feeling brake pedal. The SS line will not cure that, but it does make it a bit better.

Were SS lines worth the money? ---> Undecided, it helps, but the pedal still does not feel as solid as I like it.
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Old 12-05-2004, 06:29 AM   #7 (permalink)
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get different pads. compared to other cars, camry brake feel shoudlnt be soft and spongey. they will get soft and spongey after some hark work, but thats because ya pads are crapping
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Well I have had these pads on my 95

stock
axxis metal master
EBC green stuff
Akebono ceramic (OEM I am told)

My brake pedal had the same feel with all of them.

I live in the state of VA and a few years ago the state inspection changed to measure the brake pedal clearance after it was depressed. My camry failed miserably by the state inspector's opinion. He figured the brakes needed bled, I paid about $60 to have that done on the spot and it didn't help.

They then told me that I needed to replace the master cylinder and the brake booster (major $$$$$) so I figured it was a scam. In VA the state police actually run the state saftey inspection but the inspectors generally work in an indepedent auto repair facitlity with little supervision (I knew this from a problem I had with a Nissan in an inspection years ago where I felt I was being ripped, I met with and worked it out with a state police inspection official).

After this inspector failed me for the state inspection for the 3rd time for the brake pedal clearance/ spongy feel I called him a thief (I THOUGHT he wanted the master cylinder - brake booster repair work profit so he kept failing me) and told him I was going to call the state police and talk with his boss.

He said - OK, hold on I will call him for you (in a real cocky way). He whipped out his cell phone and called right there. Just so funny enough his boss was the SAME state police official I dealt with years ago on my Nissan issue.

NOW HERE IS THE POINT OF MY LONG WINDED STORY

I went and met with the state police, the regional boss of all the inspectors in my area, he said that the majority of camry's they inspected FAILED inspection for this exact problem. Usually a brake bleed fixed it, but they had seen dozens of cases where the pedals were just like mine and the brakes worked perfectly fine they were just a little soft.

Bottom line, he inspected and test drove the car and pased me on teh spot. The state of VA inspectors office has an official notice of this problem with certain model years camry's and corolla's. The spongy feel you have may just be the way your car is, it was in my case.

Now I didn't want to go through this same problem and hassle the following year (we inspect every 12 months in VA, no matter what). I went and bought the SS lines and never failed another inspection due to brake pedal issues.
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I installed Raybestos full ceramic pads on my wife's 98 Camry and the brakes feel much firmer to me. Also, check for a sticking caliper slide pin in the front calipers. It may have rusted in place and you may be braking with only the inboard pad on one of the calipers. I also had that problem on my 98; that too made the pedal go down further.

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My 99 Camry has very soft brakes. I've read that if I change to ss brake lines it should stiffen them up? Anyone suggest a good manufacturer.
I would just do brake pads first. Good highperformance brake pads will make a world of difference. Then if you still feel that is not enough, proceed from there.
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Then if you still feel that is not enough, proceed from there.
As in new lines are the last upgrade in the list.

Pads, rotors, fresh quality fluid, calipers/brakelines.
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btw very soft brakes are normally an issue with air in the lines, due to not bleeding/not bleeding the brake fluid correctly.

If your pads are OK, and of OEM or better quality, you needs to start via bleeding the fluid.
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How do I bleed the brakes with ABS?
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Is there a special way to bleed the brakes for a car with anti-lock brake sys. or is it the same as with out the abs?
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get a haynes manual...it'll be the best investment you'll ever make for your car
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