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Old 12-16-2004, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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UK Stand alone ecu's

Hi, can anyone recommend stand alone ecu's for a 1mz-fe. Just missed out on a supercharger so I'm looking at the engine management/fueling side of things until Mr.T has a sale again. Probably will go with a supra fuel pump and injectors. So any advice will be appreciated.

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Old 12-16-2004, 06:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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afew ppl here have the e-manage or smt-6 going in their cars but not too sure if it was the 1mz. any decent ecu will be better then the stock one though, it may come down to what you can get locally or what ya mates that helped ya with the swap etc know about.
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Old 12-16-2004, 07:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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SMT-6 is a piggyback.
E-Manage is a piggyback

Neither is stand alone. They both have positive and negative sides.
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what about the autronic sm2.the mr2 in sport compacts ultimate street challenge has a 1mzfe wit the s/c and thats the stand alone he uses
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Stay with the stock ecu as long as you can... unless you are really good at tuning and don't mind driving a car that doesn't start easily and doesn't idle well (especially when cold). I've had too many friends with standalones to want one for myself until my Camry is wayyyyy to modified to use the stock ecu.

If you are changing supra injectors and other minor differences like that, just use a piggyback for now...

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Stay with the stock ecu as long as you can... unless you are really good at tuning and don't mind driving a car that doesn't start easily and doesn't idle well (especially when cold). I've had too many friends with standalones to want one for myself until my Camry is wayyyyy to modified to use the stock ecu.

^^ Very well said. Standalones are not fun especially for the 1MZ-FE... You could never imagine how much crap I went through. Tuning is probably 50% of the work involved. If you have an automatic transmission, be prepared for even more troubles.
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Thanks for the advice guys. I keep getting an o2 error code, we have changed all the o2 sensors and checked and re-checked the wiring but it's still showing error code saying o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1. We can only think the ecu's @ fault. The car is over fuelling/running rich. The ecu was second hand so in theory it could have a fault on it, maybe if I could get my hands on another standard ecu and give that a go?

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Stay with the stock ecu as long as you can... unless you are really good at tuning and don't mind driving a car that doesn't start easily and doesn't idle well (especially when cold).
Thats very true.

My friend has a standalone ecu (Accel DFI). When we first installed and tuned it, it was during the summer.

And now thats it winter, we had to retune the idle. It would die sometimes if you stomp on the gas and let off. Had to play around with the tuning for the IAC, but its all good now.

It takes a few seconds of cranking for the engine to fire up, but it fires up and runs good.
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Thats very true.

My friend has a standalone ecu (Accel DFI). When we first installed and tuned it, it was during the summer.

And now thats it winter, we had to retune the idle. It would die sometimes if you stomp on the gas and let off. Had to play around with the tuning for the IAC, but its all good now.

It takes a few seconds of cranking for the engine to fire up, but it fires up and runs good.

yes and it is pretty damn rough to tune cold starts sometimes since you only get one shot and then you gotta wait a while, i was talking to a buddy who went through this and said it sucked
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yes and it is pretty damn rough to tune cold starts sometimes since you only get one shot and then you gotta wait a while, i was talking to a buddy who went through this and said it sucked
Tuning a standalone is a pain in the ass.

The idle and starting is just one part of it. You still have to tune the fuel and timing.

It takes a lot of driving around, messing with the fuel and timing maps, data logging, and getting use to the software.


At one point we unplugged the IAC just to see what it would do. It ran better, but you loose temperature vs. idle control. So the idle was controlled by how much the throttle body was open.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi guys, well youv'e made my mind up for me. Thanks for the info. I'm
gonna replace the ecu I have with another standard one as I said before i
think the one I have has a fault on it. Does anybody have a ecu from a
year 2000 Camry 1mz-fe; Declo 89661-OW111. Needs to be without theft
deterent and also have no traction control, if anyone knows any for sale please let me know

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I don't want guys to think that standalones are a pain... They are really preferred over piggybacks even for some mild setups. You just have to get a standalone out there that has good tech support and comes with basemaps.

All the Honda standalones and even the Accel DFI's for Mustangs, etc... all have base maps. Running those standalones aren't so bad at all because the cranking maps, temperature curves, injection phasing, crank/cam trigger settings are pretty much done. When I tuned the AEM EMS on my turbo Integra, it took me less than 3 hours to get my car dyno-ready. Probably a week to get the car to drive like stock and get over 30 MPG.

Tuning the idle is really one of the simpler things to do. It requires no guessing or datalogging.. All I had to do was play with the IACV duty % and get the car to idle according to temperature.

As long as the car is idling, you are pretty much set.

On my Camry, it was a real headache get the car to actually START UP with the 720's... There was no reference point anywhere because the standalone was all raw. I had to make an educated guess on the injector lag time vs pulse width vs fuel pressure during cranking by doing some math. Each time the car would not start, and it could be from too little fuel or too much fuel which in turns floods the motor.

Afterwards, I had to pull the plugs out to clear out the fuel and crank the car with the throttle open for good 15-30 secs. It took me days to get the car to fire up because once the engine was flooded, it was hard to determine why the car wasn't starting. There was no way to find out if the injection times were off, or if there was too much fuel still sitting inside the motor. I would usually let the car sit for the day to let the fuel fully evaporate and then try again

After the cranking was done, I had to move onto the injector phasing times. I had to degree the motor to find out when the intake valves start opening, and then calculate the number of crank degrees to find out when the injector should start spraying according to RPM. Acceleration enrichment times were also consider when dialing in the injection advance maps. If the injectors are spraying at the wrong time, it would cause the fuel to spray directly at a closed intake valve. This would potentially cause the engine to lean out because the intake valves might close before the injection cycle fully is finished.

On the Camry though, it took maybe 3 months! And good luck finding basemaps for the 1MZ-FE. Maybe I could charge some money whenever I start selling my own maps

That was why I urged the folks to stay away from standalones for the Camry... So far, I haven't seen any basemaps available for the Camry, except for the 3S-GTE if the Camry happen to have that engine swap.
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Old 12-19-2004, 07:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Microtech produces Stand Alone ECU units, and all come with base maps according to their email reply. they reccomend the LT-8 for four cylinder cars, and the LT-12 for six cylinders. i have a friend with a 4agze-t (4agze engine but with turbo) and runs a LT-8 and seems quite happy with it. This is also the ECU that i've had my eye on for a while too. Check it out, email them, if you dont like their reply then shoot me a PM with your question and i'll ring them up for you.

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Old 12-19-2004, 07:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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hey, this is a little bit off topic but do supra injectors and fuel pump fit on the 1MZ-FE?
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Old 12-20-2004, 01:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks da_horse. I will do some research into the microtech set up. I like the sound of it being based mapped. I have a few things planed for the engine over the next year or so, it's a question of which way to go about things.


Hi 04sev6camry, as far as I know a few guys are running supra fuel pumps and injectors on a 1mz-fe but I don't know if you would need a fuel pressure regulator in there as well.

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