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Old 02-05-2005, 10:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Adjustable FPR + fuel system

Do any of you guys have any suggested FPR's to run in the Camry?
I'm not sure of what AN size to use (I've heard various things, from someone saying -6 AN to someone saying that the fuel lines aren't rated in stock form in any standard sizing).

Another question would be, what is stock fuel pressure?
I'd like to cut fuel pressure and add it back with my S-AFC II to advance timing.

Another thing to throw out there: Would it be neccessary (or even beneficial) to upgrade my fuel pump for an na build?

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Old 02-05-2005, 11:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would suggest Aeromotive's Adj FPR with the -6an feed lines....you're gonna have to tap(no biggie) the fuel rail to be able to use SS briaded lines. I would usggest upgrading the fuel pupm for two reasons

1) Wear and tear on the fuel pump over the years (remember all those times you were low on gas or maybe the previous owner)

2) While you're replacing the fuel pump you can re-wire the pump so that its receiving constant voltage and thus eliminate those dangerous voltage drops

I would suggest the Walbro 190lph unit....there is no need for the 255 one.
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Old 02-06-2005, 01:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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-6 AN is about 3/8".

Stock fuel pressure is around 38 - 44 psi.
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Old 02-06-2005, 04:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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ok, cool, thanks 88 and luis. it looks like I'll be using the aeromotive streetrod when I do upgrade the fuel system this over the summer (30-70psi). I was figuring it might be a good idea while in the neighborhood of the pump to replace it anyhow.
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You're doing all this just for timing?
Bawhahahahahahahaha

It's not worth it... All that for a couple of horsepower and a little bit of increase throttle response/mileage. Not to mention the fact that since you're adjusting it mechanically that it will be a linear timing advance, which is not the ideal solution.

That means you'll be able to add only a few deg because you'll be pinging through the middle of the torque curve, while since it's a linear advance, you're still left needing more advance afterwards.



Instead of all that, ditch the safc and get something that actually varry the timing.
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You're doing all this just for timing?
Bawhahahahahahahaha

It's not worth it... All that for a couple of horsepower and a little bit of increase throttle response/mileage. Not to mention the fact that since you're adjusting it mechanically that it will be a linear timing advance, which is not the ideal solution.

That means you'll be able to add only a few deg because you'll be pinging through the middle of the torque curve, while since it's a linear advance, you're still left needing more advance afterwards.



Instead of all that, ditch the safc and get something that actually varry the timing.
You should follow up on things rather than making assumptions.
My fuel line is shot, thus I'll need to either pay toyota out the ass for hard-line all the way back to the tank or simply buy braided and work with that and upgrade for the same amount of money.

Adjusting the fuel pressure will lean out the entire a/f ratio, which will allow me to not lose timing and still lean out the car, as opposed to running the S-AFC II with leaning the car out (which uses the intake sensor, as I'm sure you know). So rather, I'll richen with the S-AFC II which will make the car see denser air and thus advance timing appropriately.

As far as actually working strictly with ignition, I plan on using an MSD 6AL with the digital A series ignition computer and Blaster SS coil. I would rather have multiple systems to do multiple jobs, rather than using a stand-alone, plus I don't want to buy a laptop to tune with. If I were boosting, I would consider this, but I'm not, so it's not much of an issue.
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Crawling eye I'm sorry I assumed you were no longer having fuel problems. Considering your first post about them being a problem was in LAST APRIL, and the last being in AUGUST. Or maybe I was wrong assuming it was fixed, considering it obviously wasn't fixed between April and August of 2004...


You said it yourself you wanted to do it to:
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I'd like to cut fuel pressure and add it back with my S-AFC II to advance timing.


That's cool and everything man, it's your project. That just seems like a horrid price/performance/function to me. We've talked on aim, you know I don't think 160fwhp is possible without tearing into the block.
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Crawling eye I'm sorry I assumed you were no longer having fuel problems. Considering your first post about them being a problem was in LAST APRIL, and the last being in AUGUST. Or maybe I was wrong assuming it was fixed, considering it obviously wasn't fixed between April and August of 2004...


You said it yourself you wanted to do it to:




That's cool and everything man, it's your project. That just seems like a horrid price/performance/function to me. We've talked on aim, you know I don't think 160fwhp is possible without tearing into the block.
I never discounted tearing into the block, but after talking with a couple other very knowledgable people on the subject, it seems it may be easier than I had thought with valvetrain. I'm looking to get close to ideal valvetrain (32% piston area valve size, 35% being ideal), ported head (which you've helped quite a bit with figuring out), as well as new cams. Between all of this, I should be in the neighborhood I want to be in for my 160whp goal.

Either way, if I fall short, I'll sink with the ship. I've been talking with a very reputable shop that has a good reputation with 5S-FE's (jim snodgrass from mr2oc.com has used him as well). We'll see what happens when more materializes, either way, I'm looking to fix my fuel line problem and gain some added tunability.
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Screw the falling short man! One word - N2O
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Naw, luis, I'd much rather give it my all in na. As it stands, I'll be spending close to 2k on the head alone in machining.

If I go with n2o, I might as well slap a turbo on.
Not to knock boosting or n2o, it's just not my goal and not for me.
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Oh yeah, luis will you be online tonight? I'd like to discuss a couple things with you.
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