Engine Rebuild

[blkdmnrcing]

I was wondering if it was possible to rebuild the 3SFE motor using all the internals from the 3SGTE. if so, where would i be able to buy the rebuild kit, and the extra's like the head and manifold. thanks in advance for the help.




Joe Portera

[userlain]

No. The pistons compatible with the G head are not compatible with the F head.

And it would be impractical anyway. Swap in a JDM 3sfe(recommended), a 3sge, or a 3sgte.

The swap would cost less and would be more reliable than a buildup of an economy motor.

[88 LE]

Its possible, but why go through all the trouble of trying to turn your 3S-FE into a 3S-GTE.

You might as well swap to a 3S-GTE.

And you would need more then just the 3S-GTE internals (crank, rods, and pistons), cylinder head, and manifolds.

[blkdmnrcing]

first off, i know the head isnt complatible, thats why i asked if anyone knew where to buy a new head, second off, it is cheaper then doing a swap, i have priced everything out that i know of. the swap alone for the motor is killer, due to engine cost, and shipping the damn thing. the trouble isnt actually trouble its easyier then doing a swap because it will go back in, i have all the materials to do the metal work and the knowledge, my dad rebuilds these things for a living. and i have the parts hook up. im just wondering where to get the head and intake manifold

[Toysrme]

^ I'm with them. If you're going to do something swap the engine. Think about how much easier it is to swap a new ECU/wiring harness in, and engine. Either way the engine has to come out. This is the time you will want to swap to a M/T, or a built A54X from a v6. From what little I know about the i4's the A140 is pretty weak, and the 3s-fe's are weak too.


BTW what you asked was that if the internials of the 3s-gte's work in 3s-fe blocks. Then you asked where you could sorce the headings/intake manifold. That does happen to imply that you intended to use 3s-ge/gte heads on a 3s-fe block.




I would guess by the time you rounded up the parts to turn a 3s-fe into a "real" 3s-gte, you long since could have simply dropped a real one in with 1/10th the work.

[blkdmnrcing]

i already have a m/t, and the 3s-fe and 3s-gte blocks are the same, its the internals and heads that are different. second, i dont have to pull the motor out, the whole idea is to have a motor already, which i have a spare one from the one out of my old car, and build it up using the internals, without spending time and money without a car.
the wiring isnt easy, but i have done lots of it before. and actually doing the swap would be more work then building up a complete motor

[Luckynumber5]

you guys, just answer the question

[userlain]

Yes it is possible. Practical? No.

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by blkdmnrcing

and actually doing the swap would be more work then building up a complete motor

You don't get it. So I'm gunna have to skool you.

Regardless if you try to frankenstein a 3S-GTE or just swap one in. You still need to install and/or pull a motor and do the wiring.

And just swapping the internals, cylinder head, and manifolds will not work. You need a complete 3S-GTE engine wiring harness, ECU, ignition setup, all sensors, etc...

If your current tranny is auto, you can forget about using it. You would need a ECU from a Caldina with auto tranny or use a full standalone computer.

Its not as simple as you make it out to be. By the time you buy the all the parts you need and time involved, you might as well do a swap.

[xrs22]

What models are the 3sge and 3sgte from? So i can read more on it instead of posting pesky ?'s that ppl get tired of.

[88 LE]

3S-GE: 86 - 89 Celica GT-S. MR2s also came with a 3S-GE, but not in the US.

3S-GTE: MR2 Turbo, Celica All Trac/GT4, Caldina.

US = Celica All Trac
Japan = Celica GT4

Same thing, just different names.

IIRC we only have the ST-165 (gen 1) and ST-185 (gen 2) in the US. We never got the ST-205 (gen 3).

Caldina is ST-215.

[S13/R32]

so the 5SFE and 3SGTE have the same engine block?
cos the mounting post for a 5SFE and the 3STGE were the same and looked very very simular when i did a 3SGTE swap into a 98 csi camry the bloody thing just bolted in there easyest swap i've ever done and better than a GT-4 any day. boost is wound up to 15psi and some other tinkering makes it pull hard every time. beats alot of V8's mostly stock holden's and fords but i gave one dude in a holden GTO a big run for his money it was close but i managed to pull away in the 4,500 to 6,800 rev range. looks compeltely stock only thing that gives it away is a boost gauge and a turbo timer, i think the V6 manual gearbox anit doin to well so im thinkin of changing back to auto. leaves a trail of stuned and confused face behind in its wake.

[noofa]

^^

Heaps good to hear man, begining my build up to swap this weekend

your tranny is the E153? no good with that setup?

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by S13/R32

so the 5SFE and 3SGTE have the same engine block?

No.

5S = 5th gen S block
3S = 3rd gen S block

Their similar, but the 5S has a larger bore, longer stroke, bigger rod journals, different internals, etc..

cos the mounting post for a 5SFE and the 3STGE were the same and looked very very simular when i did a 3SGTE swap into a 98 csi camry the bloody thing just bolted in there

The mounting holes on the block are the same. However the mounts are different.

3S-GTE will mount in place of a 5S-FE, but without custom mounts the engine leans to one side.

Do you have any pictures of the car with the motor mounted?

[xrs22]

Will the 3S-GE from the celica fit easily as a swap replacing the 3S-FE? What does it have that the 3S-FE doesn't. I seen the HP for the 3sge posted on the other thread but just wanna know the diff. components.