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MIKEBRAWN1 · 05-10-2005, 10:54 AM

Hey guys I was just wandering what year model celicas the 3sge came in. I am going to need to replace my engine soon because it is pretty much worn out and would like a little more power with a nice drop in engine. I would like to go with the 5sfe but don't feel like going through the trouble of putting it in.

Tommy · 05-10-2005, 11:23 AM

the 3SGE was found in the 1986-1989 Celica GTS.

If you have a donor celica, it will be really easy, direct swap, you just need the harness and computer and youll be set to go.

CamryPunk · 05-10-2005, 11:30 AM

On which year camry? I've never heard of a "drop in" for a 3s-ge from a 5s-fe factory equipped camry.

Tommy · 05-10-2005, 12:11 PM

Gen2 camry.

He mentioned wanting the 5SFE, but doesnt want to deal with the hassle of swapping the 5S inplace of a 3S. You know, different mounts.

MIKEBRAWN1 · 05-10-2005, 12:30 PM

Right. I don't feel like hassling with mounts and such if the 3sge will bolt in with out as much problems.

atobe · 05-10-2005, 12:51 PM

you can even use your old tranny if it's still in good condition

white90dx · 05-10-2005, 01:31 PM

Ummm.... the same mounts still work on the 5s-fe. The front mount attaches at the tranny, not the motor on the 3s-fe, and you can work it the same with the 5s-fe (or 1mz-fe, for that matter).

Don't forget that there is a bunch of custom wiring that you need to do. Its not worth the pain of the swap for 10-15 extra horspower, in my opinion...

-Charlie

Phatfantom68 · 05-10-2005, 02:48 PM

If you want to have a manual tranny, don't bother with the 3sge, instead drop in a 3sgte.

However, if you want a slushbox (automatic) and want a 3s-ge, this would be a pretty wicked engine to put in a gen2 camry:

http://www.tuning.cz/lander/beams.htm
http://www.a-oktw.com.tw/new%20pics/...0WIR%20(1).jpg

The redtops are very, very rare and quite expensive, but with ~80 more hp than a 3sfe, its hella nice

MIKEBRAWN1 · 05-10-2005, 04:37 PM

But wouldn't it be easier to swap in the 3sge than the 5sfe? That is kinda what it seems like the consensus in the site is. Also don't I just have to swap in the ecu and wiring harness from the 3sge to make it run?

fredk · 05-10-2005, 09:54 PM

I am getting ready to put a 3sge in my 88 also

Tommy · 05-10-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIKEBRAWN1

But wouldn't it be easier to swap in the 3sge than the 5sfe? That is kinda what it seems like the consensus in the site is. Also don't I just have to swap in the ecu and wiring harness from the 3sge to make it run?

yes, a 3SGE will go into a gen2 easier than a 5SFE, and is a better engine too IMO.

I cant imagine how much rewiring it would take if you have the complete harness with fuse box, and ecu. there might be a few things, but i cant really think of anything.

ECale3 · 05-10-2005, 10:42 PM

what engine's drop into the 5SFE engine bay?

white90dx · 05-11-2005, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ECale3

what engine's drop into the 5SFE engine bay?

Please use the search function provided on this site or start your own thread... that topic has been covered many times.

-Charlie

white90dx · 05-11-2005, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

yes, a 3SGE will go into a gen2 easier than a 5SFE, and is a better engine too IMO.

I cant imagine how much rewiring it would take if you have the complete harness with fuse box, and ecu. there might be a few things, but i cant really think of anything.

Unless you have already done this yourself, don't belittle the task of an engine swap. The wiring is more than trivial, especially if you haven't done something like that in the past.

-Charlie

white90dx · 05-11-2005, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIKEBRAWN1

But wouldn't it be easier to swap in the 3sge than the 5sfe? That is kinda what it seems like the consensus in the site is. Also don't I just have to swap in the ecu and wiring harness from the 3sge to make it run?

Only a couple people on this site have actually completed a motor swap, so beware of wrong information.

The harness for the 3s-ge won't just lay down in the right place and work. You will have to rewire many things (the engine wiring harness will remain the same, but you have to rewire the fuse box and the parts where the ECU goes to the body harness). If you are proficient with electronics and have correct wiring diagrams for both cars, it is very do-able... but not trivial.

-Charlie