5S-GTE thread repost...

[Wraith]

Ok, certain years of 5S-FE ( early 3rd Gens ) can use the 3S-GTE head ( basically, like a hyrbid motor). With minor or no modification, need to fit the head onto the 5S-FE short block. Ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag... here's the how to do hybrid motor from your friendly neighborhood Wraith:

°Drill and tap oil filter side of block to accommodate turbo oil feed. Drill and tap the stock 5S-FE oil pan for turbo oil return line. Or use the 3S-GTE oil pan ...

°Ported oil channels for better and less restrictive oil flow. (not really necessary but good for reliability)

°Port and polished 3S-GTE oil pump.

°3S-GTE water pump port out and polish ( if needed).

°All new bearings including thrust bearing, (clearance at 0.002).

°Balanced crank and crank assembly (3s-gte or 5s-fe depending on what displacement your looking for).

°Forged Pauter I-beam connecting rods, for 3s-gte.

°87.5 mm Forged pistons

° .95mm Head Gasket or Deck block to smooth finish for steel gasket setup. And you can run any thickness you want.

°Custom flywheel ( if you use a 5s-fe Crank or just open up the holes on a 3s-gte flywheel) or if you use a 3s-gte crank you can use a 3s-gte flywheel.

°Thrust Bearing ( 5s-fe or 3s-gte depending with tranny your running).

°New engine gaskets and seals.

°Fitting for 3S-GTE dip stick.

°Oil fittings and braided lines.

°Modified 5SFE fuel rail to fit 3S-GTE head with bosch injector setup.

°Boost dependant fuel regulator not need if you get the 3S-GTE fuel regulator.

°3S-GTE cambelt.

°3S-GTE cambelt tensioner.

°3S-GTE idler pulleys.

°3S-GTE head bolt or ARp head studs.

I think thats it off the top of my head. But, I'll add more later if I remember anything extra... Hope this helps...


Addition to the above information: 8/25/02 7:01pm

° 3S-GTE ecu

° 3S-GTE igniters

° 3S-GTE harness needs to be mated to the 5S-FE harness

° 3S-GTE map sensor

° 3S-GTE MAF sensor

° 3S-GTE cap , rotor, wires

° 3S-GTE or better fuel pump

° 3S-GTE 440cc injectors

Addition to the above information: 8/29/02 9:21pm


°If you dont plan on machining the block for the oil squiters. I suggest riffle drilling the 5S-FE or 3S-GTE rods for better oiling and to grantee that the oil gets to the wrist pins...


Theres a 7 sets of 5S-FE rods on the shelves on www.Pauter.com

I will be doing a full write up ( which will include photos, I hope ) on the Hybrid swap minus the wiring harness ... And I will only be posting my progress here and maybe later on the MR2 baord... So keep posted!!!

JUNE 22 2006 :
Revised Information

[4DoorsofFury]

heres are my emails and reples to Ray at Burien toyota:

me-"Is there a cheap way to turn a '98 5s-fe into a 5s-ge? Ive heard that earlier model 5s models could be fitted with the head package from 3s-ge engines will relative ease, but will the same apply to my 98 5sfe? Appreciate any help!! "

ray-"I've heard that rumor too, and we're in the process of getting a used 3SGTE head and trying it on a 5SFE block. Check back with us in about a month. "

me-"Really?! well thats good. I think that a 5s-gte project would be fun. What year 5s block are you using and what year gte head are you using?"

ray-"The 5SFE block is a 1992, but they are all the same. The 3SGTE head, I'm not sure about until it arrives from the wrecking yard."


Wraith...i know that you are a very credible man, but ray says "they're all the same". Im definately not saying your wrong....hes right, but now that i got two different answers, i feel i should push the issue further. I might just bear down and write to toyota and ask some questions.

Back to the post, thanks for all that info. If i do take that route...ill use that list as a rudimentary guide. Appreciate your time.

[SpectraBlueCam]

All I have to say is WOW!! :o :o :o Justin, I hope you appreciate how far ahead of the game you are than the rest of us!! Total props! Keep us updated!!

To those who are muddling around with useless mods, you have been schooled by the Wraith!!

[SCEPTER300RR]

justin thnx for the headsup man.. u've been a great help...i've actually just acquired a 3sgte .. now problem i am facing is "stupid" canadian emissions... i know u guys have smog but easy to get away with im not sure but a friend who is a mech doin up stroker kits for other cars said that most likely i might fail my nox test.. too much nitrous oxide will be released and there fore flunkin it.. i dont wanna fail.. is there any way to make sure i pass this??? btw if all goes well my car will be in the shop by october and hopefully when u get all the specs from JE and i buy the rods i should be well on my way to doin this properly... thnx again dude..


humpty

[smokey8890]

thats a sweet ass ride! i saw you from somewhere else before. but i don't remember from where.

[EKam]

Originally Posted by SpectraBlueCam

To those who are muddling around with useless mods, you have been schooled by the Wraith!!

Hey don't talk about my new bodykit and wing!!! :x

I got schooled big time... :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by 4DoorsofFury

heres are my emails and reples to Ray at Burien toyota:

me-"Is there a cheap way to turn a '98 5s-fe into a 5s-ge? Ive heard that earlier model 5s models could be fitted with the head package from 3s-ge engines will relative ease, but will the same apply to my 98 5sfe? Appreciate any help!! "

ray-"I've heard that rumor too, and we're in the process of getting a used 3SGTE head and trying it on a 5SFE block. Check back with us in about a month. "

me-"Really?! well thats good. I think that a 5s-gte project would be fun. What year 5s block are you using and what year gte head are you using?"

ray-"The 5SFE block is a 1992, but they are all the same. The 3SGTE head, I'm not sure about until it arrives from the wrecking yard."


Wraith...i know that you are a very credible man, but ray says "they're all the same". Im definately not saying your wrong....hes right, but now that i got two different answers, i feel i should push the issue further. I might just bear down and write to toyota and ask some questions.

Back to the post, thanks for all that info. If i do take that route...ill use that list as a rudimentary guide. Appreciate your time.

I'll stand my ground that the new 5S-FE doesnt have the same water jackets as the older models. And there is a possiblity that you cannot bolt the 3S-GTE tranny onto the newer 5S-FE ... But, I am dead sure that the newer 5S-FE has smaller water jackets than the old 5S-FE and 3S-GTE...

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by SCEPTER300RR

justin thnx for the headsup man.. u've been a great help...i've actually just acquired a 3sgte .. now problem i am facing is "stupid" canadian emissions... i know u guys have smog but easy to get away with im not sure but a friend who is a mech doin up stroker kits for other cars said that most likely i might fail my nox test.. too much nitrous oxide will be released and there fore flunkin it.. i dont wanna fail.. is there any way to make sure i pass this??? btw if all goes well my car will be in the shop by october and hopefully when u get all the specs from JE and i buy the rods i should be well on my way to doin this properly... thnx again dude..


humpty

hey Humpty;
I'm sorry I couldnt/wouldnt give up the information alot earlier during the year. But, I still had to find / research alot of things about the Hybrid motor. I will be doing a full write up ( which will include photos, I hope ) on the Hybrid swap minus the wiring harness ... And I will only be posting my progress here and maybe later on the MR2 baord... So keep posted...

As for your NOX problem. I suggest getting an extra catalytic converter from Random Technology. The reason why I suggest Random Technology because 1# they're smog legal , 2# they use a higher amount of Platinum in their converters.... Another way is make sure the engine is running in tip top condition before smog(i.e. plugs, wires, cap, and rotor)... Good Luck on your project...

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by 4DoorsofFury

heres are my emails and reples to Ray at Burien toyota:

me-"Is there a cheap way to turn a '98 5s-fe into a 5s-ge? Ive heard that earlier model 5s models could be fitted with the head package from 3s-ge engines will relative ease, but will the same apply to my 98 5sfe? Appreciate any help!! "

ray-"I've heard that rumor too, and we're in the process of getting a used 3SGTE head and trying it on a 5SFE block. Check back with us in about a month. "

me-"Really?! well thats good. I think that a 5s-gte project would be fun. What year 5s block are you using and what year gte head are you using?"

ray-"The 5SFE block is a 1992, but they are all the same. The 3SGTE head, I'm not sure about until it arrives from the wrecking yard."


Wraith...i know that you are a very credible man, but ray says "they're all the same". Im definately not saying your wrong....hes right, but now that i got two different answers, i feel i should push the issue further. I might just bear down and write to toyota and ask some questions.

Back to the post, thanks for all that info. If i do take that route...ill use that list as a rudimentary guide. Appreciate your time.

4DoorsofFury;

heres a pic of a '94 MR2/Camry/Celica 5S-FE vs. 3S-GTE head gasket and exhaust... supplied by a guy in MR2 forum...

°Top=3S-GTE,Bottom=5S-FE gasket:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...a.jpg.orig.jpg

°Top=5S-FE, Bottom=3S-GTE heads:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8.jpg.orig.jpg

p.s. if the links doesnt work just copy and paste...

[SCEPTER300RR]

thnx wraith im also doin a search on the 5sgte in the mr2 forums... those guys are smart man... there is one guy that already did it.. i forgot his nick but i have the info he wrote up.. very extensive... u might already have it i think i saw u post on that thread awhile back... also i heard tec2rm might be goin our route hehehe... i guess his 400hp 5sfe isnt enough for him heheheh... have u solved the CV boot problem ? cos i was thinkin of using the MR2 CVs but i think its a bit too short.. any ideas? if not im goin to try and see who can help me make a more durable boot i dont wanna keep changin my boot every 6000miles hehe not as lucky as u to have a sponsor!! anyways thnx for the info u are givin now man this is still very helpful to me

humpty

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by SCEPTER300RR

thnx wraith im also doin a search on the 5sgte in the mr2 forums... those guys are smart man... there is one guy that already did it.. i forgot his nick but i have the info he wrote up.. very extensive... u might already have it i think i saw u post on that thread awhile back... also i heard tec2rm might be goin our route hehehe... i guess his 400hp 5sfe isnt enough for him heheheh... have u solved the CV boot problem ? cos i was thinkin of using the MR2 CVs but i think its a bit too short.. any ideas? if not im goin to try and see who can help me make a more durable boot i dont wanna keep changin my boot every 6000miles hehe not as lucky as u to have a sponsor!! anyways thnx for the info u are givin now man this is still very helpful to me

humpty

yes his name is ChrisK very knowledgable guy just there are a few things that his list is missing... His list on the other hand mostly is compiled of aftermarket parts wish list. Theres no mention of the wirst pin height or the exact width of the piston. Which I hope to provide when I get mines in from JE pistons...

[SCEPTER300RR]

yes please that would be of great help justin... thnx... i actually cut and paste his whole list heheh and urs too.. and there's another guy besides chrisK that is doing that i'll search out his thing when i get home and pm the link to ya... that might help a bit too.. i think it was the conversation about wat to do with the 5sfe engine and all the options available for it. not sure though but i hope it will help u with ur search.. (and mine :wink: )

[4DoorsofFury]

Originally Posted by SCEPTER300RR

justin thnx for the headsup man.. u've been a great help...i've actually just acquired a 3sgte .. now problem i am facing is "stupid" canadian emissions... i know u guys have smog but easy to get away with im not sure but a friend who is a mech doin up stroker kits for other cars said that most likely i might fail my nox test.. too much nitrous oxide will be released and there fore flunkin it.. i dont wanna fail.. is there any way to make sure i pass this??? btw if all goes well my car will be in the shop by october and hopefully when u get all the specs from JE and i buy the rods i should be well on my way to doin this properly... thnx again dude..


humpty

how much was your 3s-gte?

[SCEPTER300RR]

2100CAD for the full rear clip of the MR2 turbo

[Wraith]

I'm sooo hyped right now... I have to finish the Wraith then its on to the '72 Celica... I'm planning on dropping a BEAMS 3S-GE with dual VVT-I with 4 individual throttle bodies, 6 speed trans and 2way limited slip differetial onto my Celica.

But, after the Wraith project I will be trying to contact the magazines... Then go do some racing... I just hope my wallet can keep up...hehehehe