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Is it possible to have an all motor power 5sfe??? I know a lot of civic si using their stock head with crv block and the compression like 11.5 or something. Is it possible to have a 5sfe auto with power without turboed or supercharged it?
It was called All motor first
And he wants an answer to his question on getting a lot of power out of a 5s-fe, not just a rephrasing of his words.
Yes, it is entirely possible. However like anything with cars, it will cost you an arm and two legs. If your looking to increase compression and do a full build, you can get a in the 200hp range.
However, if your really willing to put the money down, you can upgrade your valve train (among other things) to titanium parts. At which point you can raise your Redline. This would however be ungodly expensive.
But going all motor is pleanty possible. You just need to do a lot more work than F/I. You have to decide on your purpose for the motor, and how you want it to run (lots of torque, no high end, or lots of high end, no low end). And then you'll have to set a plan, and build everything to best match your set design (cam timing, displacement increases, etc.). It takes a lot more planning and calculation.
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All motor does not necessarily imply more powerful. Just means no adders. Also known as, what you have now.
How much HP are looking to get?
Well the 5s-fe stock is all motor. So I am 100% sure he is implying that he wants to build up his motor without using F/I. Which does imply more power. Otherwise he is just asking if he can leave his motor stock... Which he isn't...
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Well the 5s-fe stock is all motor. So I am 100% sure he is implying that he wants to build up his motor without using F/I. Which does imply more power. Otherwise he is just asking if he can leave his motor stock... Which he isn't...
I know... I was being a smart ass and trying to argue semantics.
5S-FE is no Honda... Without VTEC, you really have to choose your cams wisely. To get 200HP in a Honda is already hard enough, for a 5S-FE, you are pretty much looking at a motor that cannot idle, pass emissions, no low-end and crappy gas mileage. Tuning would be one heck of a mess as well.
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5S-FE is no Honda... Without VTEC, you really have to choose your cams wisely. To get 200HP in a Honda is already hard enough, for a 5S-FE, you are pretty much looking at a motor that cannot idle, pass emissions, no low-end and crappy gas mileage. Tuning would be one heck of a mess as well.
I don't see it being impossible. The 4a-ge can be tuned to 200hp. And 200hp is only what, 70hp gain for that engine? It seems easily possible.
Upgraded fuel system, Piggyback, P&P, better cam profile and raised compression and you should be over 200hp (leaving room for variables).
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I don't see it being impossible. The 4a-ge can be tuned to 200hp. And 200hp is only what, 70hp gain for that engine? It seems easily possible.
Upgraded fuel system, Piggyback, P&P, better cam profile and raised compression and you should be over 200hp (leaving room for variables).
200HP is about 175WHP give or take. That's just a stock Type-R basically. I would assume you guys were talking about 200WHP. Even at 200HP (flywheel), you would still need pretty aggressive cams to allow an additional of 70HP worth of air flow.
4AGE is different. Those beasts can rev, but that doesn't mean you can daily drive them. It's also a GE head. Plus it doesn't have a shitty rod/stroke ratio like a 5S-FE. Almost every 4AGE I have worked on that can keep making power beyond 8500RPM has pretty hot cams as well, and sure doesn't idle stock and drive good for daily driving. Unlike a Honda with VTEC, VTEC is sure win; stock cam profile for idle and low RPM, pure race cam profile for race. Have you checked the cam grinds on a race VTEC cam? If you ever plan to run those cam grinds for a non-VTEC motor, you will have to idle at 3000RPM probably. And with those cams, the B-series VTEC are still only pushing 200-230WHP on average from fully built setups. Remember I had a 230WHP, 2.0L, 14.5:1 CR, TODA B, 9200RPM all motor setup on my Integra as well? I learned a lot about the limits of all motor.
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^ exactly hybrid a 5s-ge (beams head if your really rich) and a quick n/a build up isnt too much more that a full f/i build up, both ways your still prolly gona port polish the head and intake, change cr, and use a diffrent set of cams.
prolly in the next year or so i'm gona to start a n/a 1mz my goal is only around 300 crank, (plan on getting a custom crank (stroker!!!!!))
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^ and leaving it that way!
Its funny that this is brought up because id love to do a Toyota all motor car for NHRA/NDRA competition. Due to the success of Norris P's all motor Honda Insight and Bizis upcoming all motor Insight i think it would be nice to have an all motor Prius competing. These cars are great for all motor due to their efficient body designs. Unfortunetly my budget could barely afford the car itself, even a wrecked version. I believe the car could be very successful with a 5s-fe/3s-gte all motor hybrid.
There is already a Prius setting land speed records.
Wow, that's a lot input per day. Yea, my cousin has a civic si with all motor power, put out a huge amount of power, that's why I was thinking about the 5sfe. As this point, I am not really sure what I want in my engine. I'm still planning on have my engine rebuilt and use rippmod supercharger, but on the other hand, when I looked at how ufo setup his turbo, I want turbo. It will be a quite of time for me to get it finish, but I think it's time for me start planning. But thanks for the input guys, I will do some more research to gain more knowledge about all motor power, i'm still too new to it.
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