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Last week i decided to change the oil because it was very black, I also changed the filter. Today i was going to change the trans oil again because it still remained black after i changed it, and was also planning on doing the differntial oil also but i din't have enough time and only got to do the differentila oil today so tomorrow morning i will finish doing that.
the tranmission bump shifts when going from 2nd to 3rd gear and back down is this because the car has been without any power since about march? or because the oil is black because it looks like they have never changed the fluid before? I've only driven this car for less than 50 miles since i got it last tuesday. I mostly keep the RPM"s below 2200 in the city. Also once when I was entering the highway i entered it at about 30 MPH then i had to floor it because a truck was coming quickly behind me while the tranny did not bother to down shift, the RPM'S slowly climed up . is it because the transmissions computer is still in learning mode or is it because of the fluids condition? the car 103800 miles on it, it is a 96 whith the the 1MZ-FE engine .
How did you change the oil to your trans? Drop the pan technique? That only changes... what.. 2 or 3 quarts out of a system that uses 8 or so? It's not a full trans fluid change, just a small, small, small portion. Now, here in lies the problem.
You can leave the trans as it is because you say the trans fluid is black. If that's the case, your trans should be ready to kiss your chassis goodbye because it's dying. You can do the transmission flush but you risk finishing off you transmission. Dislodging whatever vital sludge it built up inside to maintain it's performance. It's up to you but I'd recommend savin' up for that new trans you'll be needing soon.
Trans fluid should NEVER change color. It should be pink or a little tinge of red but DEFINITELY not black. Do not continue change the trans fluid with the "drop the pan" method. You'll only screw your trans worse. It's pretty much dead, it just hasn't figured it out yet.
Trans fluid should NEVER change color. It should be pink or a little tinge of red but DEFINITELY not black. Do not continue change the trans fluid with the "drop the pan" method. You'll only screw your trans worse. It's pretty much dead, it just hasn't figured it out yet.
The transmission oil is black and yellow when you wipe it on a napkin and does not smell burnt at all it still smells like it came out of the bottle that does not mean that this transmission is going to destroy its self just because i change the oil. Changing the oil can only help a trannsmission not destroy it. this morning i just changed the oil by using the plug and used the car for about 15 miles and no ploblem it now shifts allitle smother and i plan on doing it again at least two more times. I just posted this because i wanted to share what im doing to the car.
This is gonna be a noob question. I'll be changing or getting the tranny fluid on Dad's Camry (4.5 Gen V6)..
The question is should I just drain and refill? I just did a drain a refill in the accord. I've had north american GM cars...that those vehicles have always been drop pan, change filter and gasket then refil.
I notice you mention not to do it this way. Any info or insight would be appreciated.
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I change the transmission fluid every 30,000 miles. I drop the pan and clean or replace the filter every 60,000 miles. The magnets in the bottom of the pan can be cleaned only by removing the pan. The filter in a transmission does not usually do much unless something comes loose or breaks. The magnets seem to do a lot more than the filter but of course the magnets only catch the iron and steel pieces. The other metal particles seem to collect and coat the bottom of the pan -- at least the ones that I have removed.
I really would not worry about damaging the transmission by changing fluid.
How did you change the oil to your trans? Drop the pan technique? That only changes... what.. 2 or 3 quarts out of a system that uses 8 or so? It's not a full trans fluid change, just a small, small, small portion. Now, here in lies the problem.
You can leave the trans as it is because you say the trans fluid is black. If that's the case, your trans should be ready to kiss your chassis goodbye because it's dying. You can do the transmission flush but you risk finishing off you transmission. Dislodging whatever vital sludge it built up inside to maintain it's performance. It's up to you but I'd recommend savin' up for that new trans you'll be needing soon.
Trans fluid should NEVER change color. It should be pink or a little tinge of red but DEFINITELY not black. Do not continue change the trans fluid with the "drop the pan" method. You'll only screw your trans worse. It's pretty much dead, it just hasn't figured it out yet.
We have now put over 250 on the transmission and has not shown ANY problems at all, in fact it now shifts alittle smoother. and it looks like this tranmission will not kiss the chassis good bye after all. my point is that changing the oil at a high mileage will not harm the transmission at all it will only help it.
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This is gonna be a noob question. I'll be changing or getting the tranny fluid on Dad's Camry (4.5 Gen V6)..
The question is should I just drain and refill? I just did a drain a refill in the accord. I've had north american GM cars...that those vehicles have always been drop pan, change filter and gasket then refil.
I notice you mention not to do it this way. Any info or insight would be appreciated.
Fist thing i did was to do a pan drop and the 50 miles later i changed it again, but the second time i just drained it and refilled it. It is defenetly a good idea to do a pan drop after the cars first 30,000 miles because you want to collect the metal shavings that are collected at the magnets. On the accord i would highly recomend you that you go back and do a pan drop because when you put in new fluid the oil its detergent will start picking up some of those metal shavings on would make its way into the transmission. but dont worry too much because the transmissions filter should stop some of those metals but if I were you i would go back to it ASAP and do the pan drop and change the filter and gasket.
And on the camry its best to do a pan drop, clean the magnets and the pan with brake, cleaner it works best to pick up those tiny metal particles that you can't see and it cleans the pan real well. it is safe and will not harm your transmission or contaminate the oil at all. and fill it up with about 3 1/2 quarts of Mercon III / Dexron
then a few hundred miles change the oil by just draining and filling it back up. After you finished changing the oil use the car around town for 15 minuits and then park in a leveld surface and shift through Park to L on the shifter and wait 2 second in between, the put it back in park, leave the engine on and check the fluid.
Well, let's put it like this. For my A401E trans, it would take 5.9 US quarts to fill it to the proper Toyota level. Now, dropping the pan would only drain 1.7 US quarts. So, if that is the case. I clean only 1.7 US quarts of Trans oil while the remaining 4.2 US quarts remain dirty. The point I'm getting across is that this doesn't do much of anything. You will never get all the oil completely out, thus you have not done a transmission oil change but rather a "drop the pan" technique. So, your thread is gramatically incorrect because it should actually read "Changing SOME of the transmission oil".
A proper oil change is one where all the fluid is out. Just as when motor oil is changed, it is all drained out, not just 1 US quart while 3 US quarts still remain inside. Now, with that said, would you change your motor oil like that? No. Why? It would be futile because you'll never get 100% clean oil, thus dirty fluid will always be in the system.
The only thing accomplished with the aforementioned technique is the ability to see the little metal shavings and etc that the trans builds up naturally through it's life. You can decide through the "trash" that the trans leaves if something serious has been worn or broken.
Only taking it apart would let you change all the transmission fluid since a good bit is in your torque converter. An easier method would be a tranmission flush which ALMOST guarantees 100% new fluid (ALMOST because the BG trans flush does not give 100% new fluid). As far as color, anyone can tell you that black fluid in your trans is not good at all. I'll leave you with this: If you ran the same motor oil for exactly 200K miles or KM in your motor, then changed it, do you believe that you would experience problems?
In the end, it is your car and this is my 0.02 cents.
If your fluid is still black after a drain & fill, it is very likely your tranny is sludged. Even if you do a machine flush, it will not clean out the sludge. I recommend you do an Auto-RX treatment on your tranny ( www.auto-rx.com ), followed by a machine flush, drop the pan & clean the filter screen. If it is heavily sludged, you may need 2 treatments of auto-rx. If you still have rough shifting, it means your friction material is worn and in need of replacment $$$.
Also once when I was entering the highway i entered it at about 30 MPH then i had to floor it because a truck was coming quickly behind me while the tranny did not bother to down shift, the RPM'S slowly climed up . is it because the transmissions computer is still in learning mode or is it because of the fluids condition? the car 103800 miles on it, it is a 96 whith the the 1MZ-FE engine
put your foot down harder - doubt the 'tranny computer' is in learning mode, if one exists at all.
I said that i flored it, i pressed the accelerator all the way down and with pressure, now it does respond when i floor it and the engine now goes all the way to 6100 RPM.
Oh one question, you know that The ETC button will make it shift at higher RPM'S, What i turnred it on and stepped on it will it go into red line or will it shift before it gets there?
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If your fluid is still black after a drain & fill,
Yes it's still black but it looks alittle red when you wipe it on a napkin, it used to look brown and yellow.
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