3S-GTE Mr2 Celica Swap Camry - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Flash517 · 08-03-2005, 09:19 PM

Is there any Difference in the Mr2 and the Celica 3s-gte. Swap wise and performance wise? I wand to put one in my Camry but I thought MR2 and Camry motors or more alike in mounts than Camry and Celica's. I Would take the extra hassle fore more performance if the celica had more. But otherwise does it matter.

atobe · 08-03-2005, 10:54 PM

it's the same engine cep you can't get the mr2 tranny to work with the camry. how can you say the mounts are the same on the MR2 when the MR2 is MR and the celcia is FWD just like the camry is.

modifierLE · 08-03-2005, 11:18 PM

Ya MR2's have MR Engines and tranny's, MR Stands for Midship/Rear Wheel Drive. The MR Engine logically shouldn't fit in a Camry's engine compartment.

MR2's are small light 2-seater cars that are made to go fast. Even if u could get they MR2 Engine into the camry, the camry is much heavier it would not be worth it the car may even be slower than a stock camry.

Celica seems like a better choice, becuase its also FF or Front Mounted / Front Wheel Drive. I just dont know how it would fit in a camry tho, they have different size engines and what not. Ive seen Dodge Caravans with extremely modified engine compartments that have V8's and are like 400hp.

Good Luck to ya, but i wouldnt waste my time and money, id just go buy a used MR2 or Celica.

terrastrife · 08-03-2005, 11:53 PM

a 3s gte will only fit if you had a 3s-fe manual (i nother words, a gen 2)

you will also need all the othe rlittle things like the ecu, etc.

the mr2 3sgte will fit bit till take a bit more work, engien wise (not counting engine generations) the inlet and exhasut go different as well.

edit: BUT ... ANYTHING will fit with money.

edit2: how does a mr2 look mor elike a camry then a celica? the camry IS ACTUALLY a celica.. just like us humans are monkeys

.. it also makes teh Supra our brother then i guess (both camry and supra were based off the celica)

chronoti · 08-04-2005, 12:16 AM

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E153?

both will work period.

just one takes more work than the other.

the celica 3s-gte will mount in fine with custom mount',s ecu, blah blah blah look at wrath's setup.

the mr2 3s-gte will mount in fine with custom mount's, ecu, and the crap they write on the engine will be pointing to the firewall, blah blah blah thats the only real diffrance

the tranny's are a little more work the e153 form the celica is more of a drop in everything in place for where it gona need to be. the mr2's will be on the wrong side so you would either find the e153 from a later camry or make some custom stuff.

also if you want this auto it's damn hard to find a auto ecu unless you get the elusive beams auto ecu. which then your loaded and this would be nothing to you.

Flash517 · 08-04-2005, 12:20 AM

I can Use my Auto Camry Transmission for the 3s-gte as long as I get the auto ecu is that what your saying. The Transmisson only has like 5,000 miles on it if even that. IF anytone can be a big help write up everything i'm going to need. I been searching but I can't find it in complete. I read something about the Transmission you need to use one thing from the 3s-gte transmisson and then you can use your camry's auto. I think I could pull it all off for 1500$-2000$ if you could give me a better idea please do.I Don't want to buy a new car and I don't want to hook up a Celica or Mr2 everyone has them there to played out to me.

terrastrife · 08-04-2005, 12:25 AM

no, you will need the auto from a 3sgte which is nigh on impossible to get.

the bototm line.. i fyou want your auto dont do anything. if you want to go faster sell it and get a manual.

Flash517 · 08-04-2005, 12:26 AM

I Don't think I will get much for a car with a blown motor and needs body work and a lot of it. That was the whole point of a complete body kit.

Flash517 · 08-04-2005, 12:41 AM

Sorry for back to back posts but I found one with a Manual transmisson included for 1300$ and im guessing 600$ - 700$ in parts like catback which I planned anyway to adjust it to fit to the Camry. How much do you think it will cost to swicth from Auto to Manual already having the Transmission? I could sell my Auto it only has 5,000 miles on it. Or should I just go with a 5SFE and Turbo it but I don't think in the long run I could push out as much power come 2 years from now when I'm finished modding it.

touringcamry · 08-04-2005, 12:52 AM

Will the manual transmission from a 3SGTE Celica even work right with a FWD Camry. The transmission is for an AWD vehicle and has a driveshaft to drive the rear wheels. There is a lever to set it for FWD only, but it's not supposed to go in 1st, 2nd, or Rev. with the lever in the FWD position. The FWD position is for testing purpose only.

Lord_Anarchy · 08-04-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UfoZ

Ok, I covered most of the errors in this thread but Im tired and dont have time to correct everything. Bottom line is guys, if you dont know for sure, dont go posting bullshit answers...

You can also take the turbo manifold off of the 3SGTE and pop it on the 5SFE. No, it's not that simple either

Read up on it. Plenty of people talk about it (if they've ACTUALLY DONE IT is beyond me).

5SFE Power baby... Mmmmmm-mmmm good..

modifierLE · 08-04-2005, 04:23 AM

I need a sandwich, does anyone know where i can get one? I looked on ebay but couldnt find it. MR2's make me hungry and celica's make me thirsty. Does anyone have a coat hanger? My antenna fell off the other day and i can get the leaf blower working wtf....

88 LE · 08-04-2005, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash517

I can Use my Auto Camry Transmission for the 3s-gte as long as I get the auto ecu is that what your saying.

You need the ecu from a Toyota Caldina. Or use a standalone ecu.

Quote:

I think I could pull it all off for 1500$-2000$ if you could give me a better idea please do.

Think again.

The clip itself is going to cost that much.

Clip = front cut (celica all trac) or rear cut (mr2 turbo).

chronoti · 08-04-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UfoZ

Im not sure where Justin sourced his old engine from... But his tranny wasnt from a Celica.

i never said he got his tranny from the celica but he did swap in a 3s-gte and a huge ass turbo on the engine.

but as ufoz said it prolly will be cheaper and easier to build up the 5s but your auto tranny prolly gona die unless you build that up too. a auto tranny can be used look at tony's. and basicaly when looking at parts the 5s is a basicaly a bore and stroked out 3s. search the site somewhere there a way to mate the 3s-ge head to the 5s body but it requires lot of machining (oil, water passages) and the 3s ecu where you prolly lose your auto again. there alot of info on here search around.

toyrolla · 08-04-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by terrastrife

a 3s gte will only fit if you had a 3s-fe manual (i nother words, a gen 2)

3SFE manual tranny doesn't hold the power of a 3SGTE.
You need either E153 or E52 tranny (Gen2 V6 manual).

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Originally Posted by terrastrife

. it also makes teh Supra our brother then i guess (both camry and supra were based off the celica)

Ummm, to clarify that...only the early RWD Celica and RWD Supra are related. Once the Celica went to FWD, those ties were no more. The Camry chassis then became the spinoff from the FWD Celica chassis.

Aside from sharing the Toyota emblem, the Celica of today has no relation whatsoever to the Supra.