need help installing safc

[vsixcamry]

would anyone mind creating a DIY to installing a safc, safc II, or safc screen. I am going to install one in the next step.. and not entirely sure how.. any tips would be great.. thanks guys

[97camryman]

Actually I would love to see some basic wiring diagrams for the 5S FE as well. I pulled out my glove box and looked over my ECU for the first time and I am stumped for now on how to wire in a Greddy Emanage. It seems that the DIY are lacking when it comes to wiring up basice piggyback engine control units. With all teh turbo projects popping up it would be a welcome addition I am sure to the stickies section.

[terrastrife]

because you need to get a diagram for your ecu, as there may be differenc ebetween the wiring from the same engine but different year/models.

once you got a pinout, its a simple job.

[sixsick6]

Controlling it is the hard part. I would be willing to wager that:

1) There havn't been many/any "how to's" because there aren't many/any members knowledgable enough of A/F ratios to set up parameters in the first place.

2) Nobody has done it because nobody else has done it -see #1.

3) The guys who have enough knowledge don't hang out on toyotanation.com giving "how to's" in which other members would follow their lead, then blame them when their A/F ratio runs lean and they detonate going uphill on a hot summer day.]

Case in point, I was looking at a 5sfe turbo system for my GF's car and started going through some threads. What seemed like one of the more knowledgable members posted pics of his 250HP dyno which didn't have safe A/F ratio at all. Sure it had good spots for power (12.6:1) but not for longevity. This is the exact reason that people say things like "turbo charged systems on the 5sfe don't last" and it isn't that the turbo doesn't last, it's the installer/driver not knowing what he is doing beyond spinning a wrench and bolting on a turbo.

There is more to it than that and any real tuner would hardly be satisfied with the A/F ratio seen in this dyno.

In short, if you don't know what you're doing, an SAFC is a great way to send your car to the junkyard or at least in your driveway waiting for an engine rebuild.

If your car is N/A to begin with, leave it that way and don't worry about silly things like SAFC's that can cause more harm than good.

If you're serious about power and want to do it correctly, go with something that you can easily test and tune yourself like megasquirt. You could buy an entire DIY MS&S for a fraction of the cost that Apex-i systems cost....and don't even give you the options that you need.

[Hamsterman]

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as i have said before... the cars tuning is NOT correct and i am well aware of that - before you always go and talk trash about my lack of knowledge - get your information straight...

this is my first turbo project and so a lot of work has gone into this system which has not been touched by many people... i have been very busy with summer work, traveleing, and school - along with living between 2 cities, so my cars progress has been slow @ times...

my AF is very lean under 4k RPMS and that was because the shop that i took my car to do a base tune did shit job on the tune... I did not get to see these results until later because he could not print out the sheets @ the shop.. .after a lot of debate with the person working on my car - i found out he did not give me any timing adjustments EVEN THOUGH i gave him the base point of around .5 degrees per pound, which a lot of mr2 guys run, and thus he was maxing out my injectors and i was getting a great deal of knock, i talked to the person that has BUILT all of my motor stuff and we are done working with any other shops, i am gonig to be doing all of the rest of the tuning with him as time permits...

i did not go running around boosting the car then with these problems... i still drive it everyday, btu it is not blown and i have put around 8000 KM on the engine with the kit - i have been ordering new parts i needed including and AEM wideband to start doing my own street tuning as i do not have acess to a dyno, and some bigger injectors so i would have room to grow and an upgraded clutch... my emanage is set up to adjust timing and fuel, so once i get some time, all of my parts in the mail, it will be out to give me a proper tune under varying temperatures, street conditions and such

It is not that i do not know more thatn turning a wrench and bolting a turbo, if you think that is all there is in turboing the 5sfe then you suffer from the ignorance you keep acusing most everybody else on these boards about... i have been learning a lot from this entire project and so i posted up the initial dyno results to show that FINALLY the kit was all completed and now tuning is the next step to go...

sorry to go off subject on the SAFC thread, a couple people have installed them on the boards vsix, so i would search those keywords and pm them about any issues they had - getting yourself a good toyota ECU diagram will be your best start

[sixsick6]

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

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as i have said before... the cars tuning is NOT correct and i am well aware of that

As long as you know.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

before you always go and talk trash about my lack of knowledge - get your information straight...

How about YOU get your information straight. This is YOUR first turbo project, the reason I am on this forum right now is because this will probably be my 50th. I was trying to help you to NOT be a statistic with a blown motor. If you can't handle a little constructive criticism then that is your own fault.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

this is my first turbo project and so a lot of work has gone into this system which has not been touched by many people...

Great,grand, wonderful, looks good, nice car, fix your A/F before you don't have a motor that runs.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

^ i have been very busy with summer work, traveleing, and school - along with living between 2 cities, so my cars progress has been slow @ times...

Okay, your point? The car doesn't care about all that crap. If you don't fix your A/F, you won't have a car to drive and your progress will be that much slower.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

^ my AF is very lean under 4k RPMS and that was because the shop that i took my car to do a base tune did shit job on the tune...

That is what you get letting other people do work that you should be doing. Tune your car yourself, that way you won't blame it on someone else when it fails.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

I did not get to see these results until later because he could not print out the sheets @ the shop.. .after a lot of debate with the person working on my car - i found out he did not give me any timing adjustments EVEN THOUGH i gave him the base point of around .5 degrees per pound, which a lot of mr2 guys run, and thus he was maxing out my injectors and i was getting a great deal of knock.

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So you left your car there for someone else to work on?

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

i talked to the person that has BUILT all of my motor stuff and we are done working with any other shops, i am gonig to be doing all of the rest of the tuning with him as time permits...

I thought you said:

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

this is my first turbo project and so a lot of work has gone into this system which has not been touched by many people...

So "many people" includes yourself. I really hope you don't blame someone else for your armchair quarterback tuning. This is the reason you do things yourself. When it breaks, you only have yourself to blame. Fix your A/F before before you start blaming the shop. You can easily do this yourself.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

i did not go running around boosting the car then with these problems... i still drive it everyday, but it is not blown and i have put around 8000 KM on the engine with the kit

Thats great. You did break the motor in before adding the turbo right? Done a compression check lately? What about a post build compression check with and without the turbo installed? One time with some good knock is all you need to ruin a motor.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

- i have been ordering new parts i needed including and AEM wideband to start doing my own street tuning as i do not have acess to a dyno, and some bigger injectors so i would have room to grow and an upgraded clutch...

You realize of course that the AEM unit is set up for naturally aspirated cars therefor only has the capabilities to read 11.1 A/F ratio right? There are better units that cost less, unfortunately they don't come with an AEM sticker

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

-my emanage is set up to adjust timing and fuel,

When it is set up correctly, apparently it isn't.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

- so once i get some time,

Today is the day that you were talking about starting tommorrow yesterday. Fix your A/F ratio before you don't have an engine that runs. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

- all of my parts in the mail, it will be out to give me a proper tune under varying temperatures, street conditions and such

All of the parts in the world don't guarantee a good running motor or one that lasts, especia;;y if someone else does the tuning.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

It is not that i do not know more thatn turning a wrench and bolting a turbo, if you think that is all there is in turboing the 5sfe then you suffer from the ignorance you keep acusing most everybody else on these boards about... i have been learning a lot from this entire project and so i posted up the initial dyno results to show that FINALLY the kit was all completed and now tuning is the next step to go...

As said, this is your first, this is about my 50th. I've been doing this for longer than you've probably had your drivers license.

Originally Posted by theamazingnate

sorry to go off subject on the SAFC thread, a couple people have installed them on the boards vsix, so i would search those keywords and pm them about any issues they had - getting yourself a good toyota ECU diagram will be your best start

Yeah, pm other people who don't know what they're doing either. Thats your best start

[Hamsterman]

i am not going to get into it with you over my car... i do not really need to

i am not sure why you have to be so hostile to me, but that is ok i guess, happens a lot on the internet

i do not believe you know who is working on my car - go to www.speed-source.net if you must inquire, doubt you will really care, but i am working with the owner on getting things correct... he does not have a dyno and we did not have a wideband to tune @ the time the car was complete, that is why i am not boosting the car atm, just driving it around as normal until issues are resolved, and unlike you when i have questions the guy who has worked on my car doesn't belittle me, but takes the time to show me what i am working on and what its function is... that is all i have to say...

[vsixcamry]

lets get back on topic here... at least you brought up another dilema..

Are there safer alternatives?? if so, please inform me..

I only plan on pushing 7psi.. cause i am without forged internals and dont wanna risk ruining the motor. and Nate, your running lean??

[Brujo]

Originally Posted by sixsick6

Yeah, pm other people who don't know what they're doing either. Thats your best start

Nice insult. Anyone else care to comment on the noob?

[Hamsterman]

Originally Posted by vsixcamry

lets get back on topic here... at least you brought up another dilema..

Are there safer alternatives?? if so, please inform me..

I only plan on pushing 7psi.. cause i am without forged internals and dont wanna risk ruining the motor. and Nate, your running lean??

atm the moment i am lean, but that is not because of the psi i am running... (i am only @ 5 psi too btw)... i am too lean because the shop that was supposed to tune me previosuly did not do a quality job, thus i am not ever taking this car into shops again - i am learning on my own so that only person to blame when things go wrong would be me and my engine builder

i am going to be tuning the car on teh streets with my engine builder once my new injectors and clips arrive, along with my wideband, since the emanage has plenty of ability to give the car a good amount of timing and a proper AF curve, things should be just fine after this is accomplished... until them i am just not really boosting the car on the highways or streets... only time it does ok is if you run it up through 1st and second, but even then i do not really get on it, at least until the tuning is where i feel it is safe, probably in the mid 12's

[JetspeedCamry]

Waaaay off topic here people...get back to it or i can see this thread getting .

I have installed an SAFC2 into my car. It was a sinch! All you need, as terra said, is a pinout for YOUR ECU. Not the guy next doors, YOURS!. It makes all the difference when you have the right info, as you will be refereing to it constantly to check. Theres not much to do in terms of wiring. The two main points to look out for is the 2 ground points which have to be atleast 1inch apart, and correctly orientated, and also the actual AFM signal, which has to be the right way around. I suppose the only two other hard things, is mounting it!!! if your not using the stand, it can be tricky haha. And of course, the tuning, but I always think thats easy, because just take the car to a dyno place and get them to tune it/dyno it. You don't lift a finger, except to your wallet LOL! and you have the comfort to know that your car won't explode! Unless of course, you KNOW what your doing...

[97camryman]

OMFG some people seriously need to calm down. The very fact that we do not have too many people around who know what they are talking about is the very reason we all need to help eachother so much. I am trying to put together a Camry turbo kit as well and I realize how much knowledge it really takes to put this type of project together. Tuning is the key to keeping a 5S FTE alive but after saying that everyone shuts up about how to do it. Everyone is so quick to offer their opinion on how your project is doomed to fail miserabley because they assume that if you have to ask about a turbo kit you will f it up somehow. Everyone has to learn some how and most will blow up a motor or two before they get it right. The only reason I still work on my Camry is because if I blow it up its no big deal. I want to learn on this cheap car rather than buy a nice car that I cant afford to blow up. Knowledge and experience is what I hope to gain. If I blow a motor then the price of a rebuild is the price I pay to gain that knowledge, One day when I have a nice car I will have these hard earned lessons to fall back on. Nathan has done something beyond what most people these days do. Everyone has a Honda Civic with a bolt on turbo kit with all the parts and research assembled for them. They do no work other than buy it and usually, have someone else bolt it on for them. Every Camry kit I have seen so far has been different and unique. Usually a few one off pieces as well. That is something to take pride in. Dont be to hard on Nate, he knows what needs to be done and he is proud of his first turbo project and its a nice project that just needs some tweaking. Anyone would be proud after all that work and reasearch and tracking down parts, having all those custom pieces made and then seeing the results of all the work, blood, sweat tears. Advice is always welcome around here especially advice from someone who has 50 custom turbo projects under their belt. Just keep it civil. We dont need the people who know their shit bickering like 12 year olds. After reading SickSixes posts it seems like he really knows his shit and that is good, we need input from these type of people so everyone else can learn but seriously, keep it friendly advice. I am trying to learn how to set up a wideband on my car and learn to tune the Emanage myself but its hard to get good straight answers from people on how to do it. Anyways I am sick of typing, flame away I really dont give a shit. I dont get pussy hurt when someone insults me on an internet forum.

[JetspeedCamry]