99 turbo camry

[Random5595]

I have a 99 camry 4cyl with a 5sfe in it. I'm pretty new with toyotas, so please bare with me. And yes I did search for over an hour but could not find the answers to these questions.
What is the diff. between the mr2 5sfe and the 99 camrys 5sfe? is it just the valve cover?
Will either of these manifold bolt on and fit properly http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MR2-C...spagenameZWDVW or http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...spagenameZWDVW.
I have a garrett t3/t4 turbo sitting in my garage waiting to be rebuilt, so do any of these mani's have the flange to hold the t3/t4?
I know I sound a little like a newbie but I'm just asking for your guys' opinions on the turbo build and the best course of action.
What I'm really looking for is to build the turbo setup, minus the turbo since I have one, for under $1000. I am a certified welder so I could fab my own piping, so that helps. I certainly am going to get an intercooler. So is the $1000 limit possible? And if those manifolds aren't sufficiant please link me to another site where I could purchase one. I'm also looking into a 5-speed swap and am looking for a tranny. Anything would help. thanks guys.
Thanks,
Random

[ag6286]

for one thing, ur auto 5sfe tranny wont hold the added power from the turbo, if u want to do it, do it right and start out with the manual swap....thats wut i have to do for my 3vz-fe. Next, $1000 thing......no. given u can fab ur own parts and all which helps and have the turbo and can find a manifold to fit w/o much of a problem....those are the easy parts for the 5sfe, piping for the intercooler plus the intercooler is a nice sized bill alone, then u should upgrade ur 5sfe's internals if u want to run half decent boost as a daily driver, plus feul delivery will be a pain but again easy to find for ur engine especially at a junkyard. Dont forget about managing ur A/F....need a piggyback for from what i understand about how toyota's work. u should upgrade the rest of ur exhaust as well. plus just tonz of little things happen with these projects, and im sure u know little things can add up

im not sure of all the interchangable parts from other boosted toyotas taht will fit ur 5sfe so maybe if u find enough u could keep the price ddown by visiting junkyards

[CamNub]

Originally Posted by Random5595

I have a 99 camry 4cyl with a 5sfe in it. I'm pretty new with toyotas, so please bare with me. And yes I did search for over an hour but could not find the answers to these questions. Awesome. Way to search.
What is the diff. between the mr2 5sfe and the 99 camrys 5sfe? is it just the valve cover? They are the same but the mr2's one may have different mounts/ be mounted differently. Also, if your looking at 5s-fe, the Celica also had one but the generation has slipped my mind.i




I know I sound a little like a newbie but I'm just asking for your guys' opinions on the turbo build and the best course of action.
What I'm really looking for is to build the turbo setup, minus the turbo since I have one, for under $1000. I am a certified welder so I could fab my own piping, so that helps. I certainly am going to get an intercooler. So is the $1000 limit possible? A 1000$ limit is possible. but it will be hard to do. Your looking at around 300 for an intercooler and as the guy on top of me stated, you would probably want to get an ecu upgrade. Which is also 300 bucks. Also keep in mind, this 1000$ setup will be running like 5 psi of boost. Don't run too high or else you risk blowing your motor. I highly suggest you AIM ToysRme257th. He is highly knowledagble and helpful. He also has put together a turbo kit for I think somewhere around 1000-2000 bucks for his 3vz-fe in his Lexus. He, like you welded all his own stuff so it helped a lot. Tell him CamNub sent ya.

I'm also looking into a 5-speed swap and am looking for a tranny. Anything would help. thanks guys. Possibly look at Junkyards or online. I don't know where to find one, because i've never looked.

Hope that helps.

[Random5595]

thanks. this really helped alot! I've learned that an mr2 turbo tranny should bolt right on provided I have all the parts to complete a 5-speed swap and I'm actually locating the parts as we speak. I'm still kinda confused on what parts are interchangable on the 3sgte and the 5sfe. That's my next question.

[Luckynumber5]

Heh im so tired of hearing it costs out the ass to turbo a 5sfe


Big issue here is the fuel system (in my opinion anyway)

-go with some supra 440s or dsm 430s
-upgrade to a Walbro 255 fuel pump
-dont worry about upgrading your lines at all, the stock can flow more fuel than your engine can use right now

now with the bigger injectors you will find out your car will not idle right and the ecu will have a hell of a time controlling them so:
- purchase a 1:1 rising rate boost dependent pressure regulator and have that installed by someone that knows how to work with one

you will need to tune this and you have several options:
-SAFC (I or II)
-smt6
(insert other AF tuning system here)


OK this will allow you to use your stock ecu but with bigger injectors, you want that thing running fairly rich when boost kicks in

Since i dont know how much that T3/T4 flows keep it low, the 5S-FE is a great engine but it has its limits, keep your expectations under control, and you can keep that engine alive and boosting for as long as you like.

you CAN turbo that engine and keep the auto, but get a nice tranny cooler and keep the boost low or you will shred those clutches


Also you can use an intercooler from a junkyard, look for one in good shape from a volvo turbo, they are nice and big and flow well.

[Luckynumber5]

An MR2 turbo tranny will bolt right up.... cept for one thing, the shift linkages are pointing the wrong way, go with any 4 cylinder camry manual tranny from 1992-2000 and get an upgraded clutch, the OEM may not hold for long. remember to replace your rear main seal. ALSO almost forgot to mention, go ahead and replace your head gasket and clean that engine up (well worth the time) If you can have your head rebuilt and open those ports up, look for a metal head gasket (more $$ but a good idea to consider). when you get it back together do a compression test and make sure the compression is close together for all the cylinders, if its not you need to rebuild that engine if you want it to last long.

[CamNub]

Originally Posted by Random5595

I'm still kinda confused on what parts are interchangable on the 3sgte and the 5sfe. That's my next question.

I don't think there would be anything that you can interchange.

A 3sgte is a 3s-ge engine. So that means it has a ge block I believe.

A 5sfe has an FE block. Unless I got it mixed up. Then it'd be the opposite and replace block with head.

Edit: It may be possible to switch the 5s w/ a 3s. But that wouldn't make much sense.

[Random5595]

I thought I heard somewhere that an intake and exhaust manifold from a 3sgte engine will bolt right up to a 5sfe motor. Am I right or was I on something?

[CamNub]

Don't Know.

[CrawlingEye]

The mr2 5S-FE is identical in every way to the Camry 5S-FE, the difference lies in years.

Some of the differences the '92 and former include are: different buckets on the head, different valves, smaller base circles on the camshafts, 205cc injectors instead of 225cc (it's either 215,225 or 235... I'm pretty sure it's 225cc though), colder spark plugs and a better fueling system, along with the cosmetic: valve cover.

Beyond that, they're all pretty much identical. The reason you see different valve covers in celicas/mr2's is because their generation change didn't come when the new 5S-FE was released. I haven't seen a picture of a '92 Camry 5S, but it may use the what mr2's/celicas have as a '93+ options (I believe it does, in fact).

For what it's worth, you'll have an easier time finding parts with a '93+ head than a former. The '93 has a shimless bucket conversion pretty easily available, larger base circles (easier to be ground) and a lot of other things going for it.

However, if you would use a pre-'93 head, there's ways to get around the issues, which if you by odd chance would need help with, feel free to either ask here or PM me. I'm using a '91 5S-FE head for my build, it came from an mr2 and I purchased it with a valve cover included (as I would suggest you do if you would buy a pre-'93 5S-FE head for your build).

I hope that helps.

[CrawlingEye]

Originally Posted by Random5595

I thought I heard somewhere that an intake and exhaust manifold from a 3sgte engine will bolt right up to a 5sfe motor. Am I right or was I on something?

Intake won't, not as far as I know. The exhaust manifold will however.

[CrawlingEye]

Originally Posted by CamNub

I don't think there would be anything that you can interchange.

A 3sgte is a 3s-ge engine. So that means it has a ge block I believe.

A 5sfe has an FE block. Unless I got it mixed up. Then it'd be the opposite and replace block with head.

Edit: It may be possible to switch the 5s w/ a 3s. But that wouldn't make much sense.

You're confused. The 3s and 5s are simply generations of the S family block.
The 5 is the 'newer' version of the S series block. The first number denotes major changes to the engine. The F vs G signifies valve angle and generally will show a 'performance' versus 'economy' head. E shows if it's EFI (electronic fuel injection) or not.

The heads are interchangeable (in which case the intake manifold would easily swap over), so long as you get the head off of the right generation 3sge/3sgte. I don't recall the exact generation that bolts right up to it.

A lot of things people don't realize is this: You can use quite a bit of parts from a 3sge/3sgte in a 5S and vice versa. They both use the same length rod, so all you have to do is have the crank machined and you can use the factory forged 3sgte rods. You can also use the 3sgte oil pump (although the later camry oil-pumps actually flow better than the 3sgte oil pumps). The exhaust manifold is obvious.


As for the t3/t4 suggestion you had with your 3sgte manifold, it'll be a bit more problematic than what you're expecting. The manifold is designed to accept a ct-26 not a t3/t4, so you'll need to have an adapter made. Also, to use the 3sgte manifold, you'll need a custom downpipe made. Keep in mind that the 3sgte was most commonly used on mr2's which are obviously mid-engine and thus have different exhaust layouts. If you want my suggestion, I would get a ct-26 and send it to ATS racing to have it modified to ct-27 spec (CNC machined exhaust housing and a t04e compressor wheel fit in). It's easy and effective.

People are easily intimidated when it comes to putting any serious work into a 5S-FE, but it's really not so bad at all. You have to read, but where don't you have to read to learn? Good luck, and if you have any questions let me know.

[CrawlingEye]

One last thing, with some machining you can use the 3sgte crank as well. If you wanted to drop some displacement in favor of an easier-revving engine, you could feasibly use either that or a 3sfe crank.

[Luckynumber5]

^ excellent info CrawlingEye

[leasaunce]

Turbo camry ay?!!