Camry Engine specs and possible swap

[Firestorm8319]

Hi, I have been around gen 3 camry's for a long time and I started to read up on them. I started to like the car and I am comtemplating if I should get one as my next car. But I have a small problem, I want a car I can tune to about 200whp with a smaller engine (not v6) with stock internals. It seems the 5sfe might not cut it, or I am wrong? Please let me know a little about this engine and what it can do, I have searched through your forum for quite some time and I know the engine can be turbo'ed, but I want to know the engines max hp on stock internals, and such. If I happen to get the car and this engine cant cut it I was thinking I might try to swap in a 4efte engine. Im not sure how much work would be involved with this engine swap but I know this engine can easily double its power and is cheap and easy to find. I am looking at my options now and I am keeping in mind Fuel effientcy ( this is why I want a smaller engine which can possibly be turbo'ed) and sort of costs, but I usually can find go prices on almost anything. Please let me know ur insight on this guys.

[zoni]

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[Admiral93]

[terrastrife]

lol starlet engine? you wanna drag race or something? because you will have NO TORQUE at all.

if you have money, get a gen 2 or 3 3sgte (Stock motor will give you want you want) if not, keep saving. you seem to be the type thats gonna pay someone else to do it (i say this becuase youre asking a stupid question if you could do it yourself, yould be asking for parts .

fuel efficiency goes out the door as soon as you turbo. more air = more fuel. theres nothing you can do about that.

nitrous is my only option for you

:P

[Firestorm8319]

I did search before asking, but I thought I could have missed something so I asked about the subject. It seems the 5sfe engine can hold about 8psi safely, some say up to 10psi. 10 - 12psi might be enough for me. Has anyone tried running 12psi with stock internals on a 5sfe? Getting a 3sgte engine swap can be expensive, so thats out of the question for me. I usually do my work myself because of costs, I am sorry I am not as well off as others to be able to shell out $1000-$3000 in labor cost for lazyness. The reason I asked about the swap in a general statement is because I had some idea on what parts I needed, I just wanted to see others opinions on the swap, from what you say Terrastrife, it may not be as good as I think.

[Firestorm8319]

I also talk about fuel effiency because I have talk to a couple of turbo car owners and most of them use a boost controller to turn the most way down while going around town, equalling more fuel effiency. When its time to race bring the boost back up.

[terrastrife]

cheap, performance and reliable cant be had in the same sentence.

[Firestorm8319]

Touche' !!

very true statement

[johnnyzee]

you aint gonna get 200whp by being cheap and worrying about fuel consumption. yah lets buy a $500 to $1000 boost controller to save a bit of gas... to have power you consume gas, especially with a turbo.

I agree 100% with terrastrife. Your best cheapest bet would be to hook up some nitrous, you'll enjoy your everyday fuel consumption , and give it a shot or two when you feel like showing off, or "racing".

[Firestorm8319]

Boost controllers dont cost more than $250, and Im against NOS I feel its like steriods for cars. I know that a boost controller can save you good numbers on gas, I have a friend with a Celica All trac and with his boost set low he can get about 20 - 24mpg counting on how he drives around town, thats good enough for me, since my current daily driver is a Cressida which I only get 15-17mpg around town from. Maybe 200whp is a big goal and I should aim lower. A good 190 hp is a good number.

[terrastrife]

a GOOD EBC will start around 250.

dont bother with manual ones, they seriously suck, one boost spike and youre engines gone.

and how many times shall we say this... cheap, performance, and reliable cannot be had in the same sentence.

all the 100-200% power up 4efte's and 2jzgte 1UZFE (etc etc) they MAY seem to have all 3 triats, but it actually comes out a lot more expensive then you think (eg "hey i got a 500hp 2jz with stock internals! all it cost me was a 4 grand turbo kit and 300 headgasket and 200 on tuning and 500 on labour!".

nitrous on the 5sfe is the closest youre going to get on a "budget" if you dont do any labour. and by close i mean maybe 130whp?

low boost turbo is also viable, if you do ALL the labour (less then a grand) but both of these will not meet your "performance" requirement while staying in your "price and reliability" requirements.

a manual v6 will offer similar to the 2 above options, but with much much higher reliability, but at the cost that the initial outset is going to cost more.

a 3sgte or nitrous/or worked/or boosted v6 will meet your "performance" requirement, may or may not meet "reliability" depending on how much is put into "price".

buy an old model celica with a 3sg(t)e or a 4age corolla.

i make 11liters/100km spirited driving with my v6.

[Firestorm8319]

You make very good points Terrastrife, but from what I have read on this forum you can get a good 190 hp from a 5sfe with boost running around 8psi. This fine with me. I have also priced about it would cost to get this and I can get all the parts for about $1200-$1500 and I can do the labor myself.

[zoni]

nobody seems to understand that when you bolt a turbo onto the car, there is more than just that... you wont be able to do it safely for 1500 bucks... and you wont be able to do the fuel tuning yourself, and still run the car with fuel conservation on your mind... you will go through fuel a lot more when you have a turbo on the car no matter what. bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump... all leads to more fuel.

if you think you can do it all yourself and have no problems, you are in for a surprise... nothing is cut and dry when installing a turbo. and to say that you can, is just plain ignorant.

youve read all this stuff on the forum and 75% of it is written by people who havent done it. they just like to talk like they know what they are talking about. anyone whos done it will tell you that you cant do it for 1500 bucks, and it wont be cut and dry AT ALL. you will need at least an S-AFC2 for adjusting the fuel more than the stock ECU can. you will need injectors, turbo, manifold, custom oil lines, custom intercooler piping, intercooler, custom exhaust piping, you may want an external wastegate, you need a BOV, you need at least a boost gauge, wideband o2 if you plan on tuning yourself, its also good to have a fuel pressure regulator, you will want a turbo timer for the car if you dont plan on sitting in it to keep the car idling after you drive for 1-5 minutes. this saves the turbo so it doesnt blow. i know you plan on buying a used ct-26 turbo froma mr2 turbo, but how do you know if it will be in OK condition... you dont...

you however dont need a good boost controller. the way a boost controller works is that it controls the amount of pressure that the wastegate actuator feels. lets say the wastegate on the turbo will start opening at 4psig and be totally open at 7psig. the boost controller will allow you to raise those points up by limiting the pressure that the wastegate actuator actually feels. NOT lower them. the safest way to run a turbo at the beginning, is to leave the wastegate so it opens as early as possible. if you want more than 5-7psig then you can buy a manual boost controller, and it will do FINE up to at least 15-20 psig. it is in HIGH pressure than manual boost controllers sometimes fail.

for those of you who dont know what psig means it is pounds per square inch measured at the gauge. because in actuality, the pressure is 1atm over that... about 14.7 + the psig value = the psia value (a for actual).

[terrastrife]

Originally Posted by Firestorm8319

You make very good points Terrastrife, but from what I have read on this forum you can get a good 190 hp from a 5sfe with boost running around 8psi. This fine with me. I have also priced about it would cost to get this and I can get all the parts for about $1200-$1500 and I can do the labor myself.

you wanted whp, not hp.

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australia seems to have a 200% discount on 3sgte parts or something compared to you guys in the states... for approx ~1000USD in AUD you could turbo a 5sfe if you did all the labour yourself. and probably have change for a BIG FMIC (why?) and a few other goodies.

[Firestorm8319]

I know I said I wanted 200whp in the begining of this post but you made me realize this might be to big of a goal as I stated in my other post and I think 190 hp would be fine with me. When I said I could do the work myself I meant I could install the parts myself. When comes to custom intercooler piping and such I do have some welding backround and couple of friends in body shops who do kno how to weld well. You do make a good point on bigger fuel equipment will pump out more fuel know matter what. With Fuel tuning I hope to do myself because im interested on how its done, but I can get help from my friend and his racing team, specifically mad mike, who creates turbo systems for any car and knows alot on tuning turbos and fuel tuning. His turbo mazda protege is amazing looking.
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