Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42l0t3F1jflnjU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>> Philip wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000
>>>> mile service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior
>>>> design and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may
>>>> not qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules
>>>> in Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service
>>>> schedule. American sold engines from International manufacturers
>>>> have their service schedules sharply increased in density due to
>>>> the mindset there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier
>>>> and more profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change
>>>> every 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and
>>>> suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>>
>>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>>>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>>>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>
>>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only
>>> to Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's
>>> similar experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has
>>> shortened up their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed
>>> in-dash oil service reminder devices.[/color]
>>
>> VW have had no such issues.[/color]
>
> They did 'here' Huw.[/color]
With which service regime? They currently offer a choice of two regimes here
in the UK. One for low mileage drivers or those more comfortable with short
fixed intervals of 10,000 miles or one year. The other is for flexible
service intervals using better oils and service monitoring computer switched
on which can potentially offer up to 30,000 miles or two year intervals
depending on the engine fitted and operating conditions.
There have been no problems reported with either regime which have been in
place now for some six years or more.
Prior to this VW offered fixed oil change intervals of 10,000 miles and I
had a Golf [rabbit] GTi 1800 with this regime back in 1982. I ran this car
for some 80,000 miles and it then went to a higher milage user, a vehicle
finance broker who was in school with me, who ran it for a few more years
and probably doubled its milage. Last saw it some seven years ago still
going strong with the only problem other than normal service items being a
blown head gasket at some point apparently. This thing flew with a 0-60 time
of just 8.0 seconds. It was petrol by the way.
AFAIK the only issue in America with VW has been the oil consumption due to
early oil changes and light early driving. Since very few Americans indeed
would apparently buy such an exotic vehicle and not service it religiously
every 3000 miles I find it hard to believe that there have been any other
lube related problems. However if you know different and have some reference
then I would be interested. The biggest problem VW had was customers
complaining that they were not encouraged to change the oil more often and
VW eventually gave up trying to educate and now just go with the flow.
Huw
