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Old 07-14-2007, 09:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ATTN Kyle: P-Metric vs LT

Just ran across this thread on the '05+ Tacoma board, and would appreciate your input regarding Nitto's technical bulletin. http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t200617.html

As I posted in that thread, I believe a vehicle's weight is supported by the air pressure within the tire, and not by the tire's sidewall (run-flats excluded). And that increasing load-range ratings are made possible by stiffer, heavier tires (with more and/or heavier plies), therefore enabling the tire to contain more air pressure -- and that increased air pressure allows the tire to support more weight. By this reasoning, when replacing a vehicle's P-rated tires with LT tires (say, LR-C or D) -- although the LTs have greater maximum load capacity (at greater pressure), you would still run the same inflation, because it's that air pressure which is supporting the load. According to the bulletin, however, my long-term thinking is all wrong.

The bulletin states that LTs require higher air pressures to carry equivalent loads. Of course, higher pressures will also give a stiffer ride. And they seem to contradict themselves: "the ability of any tire to support a specific load is solely based on the inflation pressure within the tire" would indicate to me that if I replace my OEM P-metrics with LTs, I would keep the same pressure. That statement agrees with what I just wrote in the above paragraph. But then they follow that with "size-for-size, LT-metric tires require higher air pressures to carry equivalent loads of P-metric tires". The two statements seem to be in direct contradiction.

Their example is of a P-metric at max load, and of course tires typically do not support their maximum, so pressures are usually set somewhere below maximum. I have never seen any chart indicating how much pressure to run for a given load, nor do people typically weigh each corner of their vehicle. Rather, we use the manufacturer's recommendation and adjust as needed based on wear, handling, comfort etc. If you switch to LTs, how would you know what pressures to run?

Also, their illustrations show the temperatures of LT tires at max inflation vs underinflated (we can only assume maximum load), but they fail to show P-metric tires at normal inflation vs LT tires at the same inflation (at normal load) -- which would be a most useful comparison for those of us considering LT replacements at OEM pressures.

According to their bulletin, it would seem that replacing P-metrics with LT-metrics (on light trucks/SUVs) for normal passenger use is not such a good idea, as the tires will run too hot if you keep the same inflation, or will ride stiffer if you set the pressure higher. And at any rate, you would never know what pressure to run. What am I missing here?
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It is true that switching to the heavier LT tires will require higher air pressures and may increase the harshness of ride. We have warning that will pop up on the website letting customers know that the ride will become more firm when changing to these tires. I looked at a P235 70 16 which will carry 1984 lbs at 35 psi. The LT 235 70 16 will carry 1985 lbs at 50 psi which is similar to the example. It is ok to use either type of tire, just be aware there may be some trade for ride versus weight capacity. You'll need to figure out load range of the original tire at the specified psi and adjust the new LT size to mirror that load capacity. Hope this helps.
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While I still fail to understand why an LT requires more pressure than a P to support the same weight, for now let's just consider the following:


I looked at three tires for my '05 Tacoma -- stock size 265-70/16, oem 29 psi front, 32 psi rear.

#1. BFG Rugged Trail T/A (oem tire), max load 2403# @ 35 psi.

#2. Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo, max load 2403# @ 44 psi.

#3. BFG All Terrain T/A KO (LR-D), max load 2835# @ 65 psi.


As you can see, the factory tires (#1) are inflated to less than their maximum.

If I replace them with tire #2, which has the same max load capacity but at a higher psi, how do I know what inflation to use? (Please note tire #2 is not an LT).

If I buy tire #3, an LT with more load capacity but at a still higher max inflation, how do I determine the proper inflation?

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You'll need to figure out load range of the original tire at the specified psi and adjust the new LT size to mirror that load capacity.
How am I supposed to do that??


Incidentally, this is not simply a rhetorical question. I will be replacing my tires before long, and both the Revo and BFG T/A are being seriously considered.

Thanks, I appreciate any information.
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A P metric tire carries max load at 35 psi. A eurometric carries max load at 36 psi. Inflating them above to max pressures in either case will not increase load capacity of the tires. The max load is rated at 35 or 36. See link below. Tire guides will have various pressure/load specs for different types of tires and would be needed to figure out recommended pressures. Give me a call if you want to discuss or once you pick a tire. Thanks


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=21
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Kyle, What's your phone extension, and what hours are you there? Please PM me if you don't wish to post it on the forum. I'd like to ask you about recommended inflation for Revos on my 2005 DC Tacoma.

Thanks, Mike
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