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Old 02-15-2006, 08:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation wiring tweeters without Amp

Searched around and I'm not really finding what I need, of course I did read the sticky's but didn't see it there either, maybe someone can point me in the right direction? Anyways, just finished installing some new speakers in the 95 Camry and am about to install some tweeters in the door. But I'm not sure what or where I am wiring them to? Can someone give me some info here? I do not have any woofers yet, so no amp yet either.
Tweeters
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn..._32705,00.html
Rear 6x9's
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...472238,00.html
Front 6x5's
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...562749,00.html
Head Unit
http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_...s.jsp?cid=7754

Hopefully this is enough information to go on. If someone can give me some advice...I'd really appreciate it!

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Old 02-15-2006, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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to wire tweeters you need a crossover. when you buy component speakers they come with a passive x-over. only way i see this working is if you can get 2 passive x-overs and wire it up from there. the reason you need the x-over is because it blocks lower frequencies that can harm the tweeter........
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The tweeters came with a capacitor, I assume to act as a High Pass filter. I found somewhere that I can then wire the tweeters to the door speakers, as long as I put the cap. in series with the wire.
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The tweeters came with a capacitor, I assume to act as a High Pass filter. I found somewhere that I can then wire the tweeters to the door speakers, as long as I put the cap. in series with the wire.

That's correct. Most tweeters don't come with this capacitor.

You will need two seperate channels of amplification for them though.

If at any way possible you can return your front coaxials and tweeters, you would be better off using the money of the two for an actual component set.
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can you explain to me a little bit more about the amp channels?
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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^ Well, since you want to amplify a set of tweeters you need a 2 channel amp.

2 channel meaning left and right.



If you buy a component set, they usually come with passive crossovers. A 2 channel amp will work for driving them.

Or go active, but you need 4 channels in this case. You can use 2, 2 channel amps or a 4 channel amp, it doesn't matter as long as theres 4 channels. It also requires an electronic crossover (built into the headunit, amp(s), or a standalone). Just something to think about, if you decide to go active.
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I think we may be getting confused here, not sure. But right now I have no amp, and am not looking to use an amp unless needed right now. I plan to buy an amp later to drive the 6x9s, and 6x5s speakers, but that is still a little down the line. So do I have to have an amp to run the tweeters? I'm not using a crossover since i'm just going to use the capacitor as a High pass filter. So if this is the route I'm taking, do I just wire the tweeters up to the 6x5's in the door or is it a must to wire them to an amp. If an amp is the case, what size Amp should I pick up to drive these 6 speakers? There are no woofers in the car right now, that's also later.
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^ My bad, I read cam2Xrunner's responce and thought you wanted to run a amp on them.

But, yeah you can just wire them to your exisiting speakers.
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I think we may be getting confused here, not sure. But right now I have no amp, and am not looking to use an amp unless needed right now. I plan to buy an amp later to drive the 6x9s, and 6x5s speakers, but that is still a little down the line. So do I have to have an amp to run the tweeters? I'm not using a crossover since i'm just going to use the capacitor as a High pass filter. So if this is the route I'm taking, do I just wire the tweeters up to the 6x5's in the door or is it a must to wire them to an amp. If an amp is the case, what size Amp should I pick up to drive these 6 speakers? There are no woofers in the car right now, that's also later.

you cannot just wire them to the exsisting factory speakers, as this will likely drop the impedance seen by the amplifier( the one in your HU) to a level that may cause problems with it. You can build a simple 2-way crossover using the cap you have for the tweeter and pair that with a coil and you then have a two-way passive crossover..this will let the HU still see 4ohms. Search google for "DIY passive crossover" and you should find some reading material that will help.
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you cannot just wire them to the exsisting factory speakers, as this will likely drop the impedance seen by the amplifier( the one in your HU) to a level that may cause problems with it. You can build a simple 2-way crossover using the cap you have for the tweeter and pair that with a coil and you then have a two-way passive crossover..this will let the HU still see 4ohms. Search google for "DIY passive crossover" and you should find some reading material that will help.
i did it and everything has run fine for the longest time. no Hu problems whatsoever.
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listen genius da only right person in this whole thread is lucanhookup and the guy with the tundra pik jus get a set of components u'll save urself all the ghetto fabolous riggin cuz if ur going to do somethin do it right the first time so that later on u dont come bak to it and be like oh shit
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listen genius da only right person in this whole thread is lucanhookup and the guy with the tundra pik jus get a set of components u'll save urself all the ghetto fabolous riggin cuz if ur going to do somethin do it right the first time so that later on u dont come bak to it and be like oh shit

Holy shit, that must be the most ignorant thing I have ever tried to read, and that says a lot from someone who grew up in Alabama! Serriously now, why do people think you can create an accent, or slang when you type? It's one thing when you sound stuipd saying it and its hard for people to understand you, but when you write something, and now I have to try and figure out what the hell you just said, I quit reading at a certain point.

In other news, I've been kinda busy with work so I haven't gotten around to posting again, but yea. I installed both tweeters in the doors, wired and soldered them to the speaker wire for the door speakers. Used some detachable connectors so when I need to remove the panel I can just pop the wires out. Of course I used the cap. that was included, wired them to the positive wire. Haven't had any issues at all. System runs just fine so far and i'm happy with what I got. It's a nice clean install, and looks great. Thanks for the advice from those who gave it!
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Not so much that you do or do not speak country, but at least speak in something that is readable. I realize you want to be yourself, but serriously, when you look back at what you write down do you ever stop to think...This makes no sense what so ever? Take me for example, sure I was born and raised in the south, but I never gained the southern accent. As far as anyone on this board could tell, I could be asian, hispanic, black or white. I am still myself, probably the worse thing I can do is my "...." but that's me. It doesn't make my writing any less readable, nor does it make my grammer and ability to speak english any less. I'm sure I have offended you, and probably anyone else who types or speaks like that, but I just don't understand why someone who has gone to at least some form of high school, or at least there GED would ever want to express themselves like that. Talk like that around your best friends, maybe in a book you want to write, but when other people have to sit here and try to interpet what the hell your saying, it's just not worth it.
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