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Old 03-27-2008, 07:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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two questions. lights dimming, and sound deadening

car: 1995 toyota camry xle v6


one question is theres rattle where my window brake light is. the bass will make it jump up and hit the window. very veryyyyyyyy annoying rattle noise.

for right now im stuffing a piece of cardboard between the tight little space so it wont rattle as much, but the cardboard is sorta blocking the light, and also tends to fall out from the bass. (and looks ugly) i dont really know what else to use.


second question is, i dont have to turn my music up very loud (all i have is a 300 watt sub) until i start to see the effects the power has on my car. my lights start dimming when the bass drops. what do i need to fix? where can i go to have someone do it for me? how much would it cost? or is it okay to just leave it like this?
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you are just a little short on power a great and cheap upgrade is called the "big three". The idea is that you ran this really big wire(0/1, 4, or 8 awg I'm assuming) all the way to your amp, but if the rest of the circuit (grounds, etc.) are still stock, than there is still a lot of resistance in the circuit. The "Big Three" replaces the three major power cables in your car:
-The alternator positive to battery positive
-The battery negative to ground
-The alternator negative to ground(this wire usually runs from some part of your engine to the ground, as the alternator's outside case is the negative, and is connected to the engine.)

To get any benefit you should use at least 4 awg for all three, and use 0/1 if you plan on adding a lot more power later. also make sure the ground from your amp is at least the same size as the amps power cable.

I just finished this upgrade because I am about to install 2 amps, and this write up seemed like the best one I could find.


One other way to reduce dimming can be a capacitor. There is a lot of argument about whether caps really help or not, but most agree that they will help with regulator lag. If it takes a split second for your alt to make more power during a loud low note, than the capacitor can cover the power needs until the alt kicks in. I'm pretty sure that this isn't a problem with all alternators however, and a cap won't help with any major power shortcomings.

A capacitor of decent size can be upwards of 100$, but the wire for the big three should only cost 10-20$, plus a few dollars for ring terminals. I would upgrade this first, then see if you need any further upgrades. Also, see if you could install it yourself based off that guide, because if you payed for instillation the price would jump a lot. Good Luck.
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I would get a second battery then a cap. Click Here to find out.
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, a second battery will only help if he runs the system for a long time with the car off, When the car is running a second battery uses even more power because your alternator has to charge both.

Here is a good summery of electrical upgrades.

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Old 03-28-2008, 04:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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unfortinatly the only way to get the diming to stop is first to upgrade the battery to a good one,(gel cell) and if that doesnt solve your problem you should look in to a higher out put altenator. this may not be cheap, but it will solve your prob. being a toyota nut that i am, most of the cars run on a 70-80 amp alenator. my last instal i did, my fuse on the power wire was 120amp fuse. so normally the speaker amps pull alot. and with the ratteling, you can use a little peice of weather stripping and but it one the third brake light where it would normally hit the windowjust dont use the huge 1" wide stuff. it looks really....ghetto...lol
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Installing a large capacitor will help dampen out the electrical load on the bass notes. The fix is a higher output alternator. Do a TN search others have responded to the same question including what higher Toyota alternator would fit.
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Old 03-29-2008, 12:53 AM   #7 (permalink)
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depends on the toyota that you have, you can use todays new cars to your advantage. my 87 mr2 and my 82 coroll only has a 70 amp altenator. if you look at a 2006 any thing with powere every thing you can get a 100+ amp altenator aat advanced for cheap. but u got to get it wired up right and or make a bracket... details details
just looked one up-2002 tundra w/ 4.7 100amp 211.xx (oem would be over 4xx)

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loss of power

I was an installer for about fifteen years and one of the first things we would tell customers with cars that knew had smaller alternators was that they would need a one farad cap to help there system play at its peek performace. I also agree with flojoe about upgrading the factory wiring but u should do both. And as far as the brake light goes, home depot sell a roll of grey foam that u can cut into strips and wedge in between the light and the window and if your good with a razor it will look great.

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