Questions about future system

[JMoney2004]

Pioner DEH-P3600 head unit
Infinity Kappa 692.5i 6 x 9's
Pioneer TS-G1640R 6 1/2's or Infinity Reference 6002si 6 1/2's

I'm just looking for something that sounds good right now. No hard bass or anything. Highs and mids are my main concern, maybe a little thump from my 6 x 9's, more than the factory speakers give anyway. And I'm not looking to cut into the rear deck to make the speakers fit so if those 6 x 9's don't fit in a 93 Camry LE that anyone knows, please let me know. Thanks.

[Erbe]

they should fit....i got a 92, but what ur goin need to do...probably, is drill hole up through the rear deck in order for the 6x9's to secure cus the factory speaks on my car only can with three drill slots.....but most speakers that u find have four places where u need to put screws

[JMoney2004]

Do you have Infinity Kappa 692.5i 6 x 9's mounted in your rear deck?

And can anyone tell me for sure if the front door speakers are 6 1/2 or 7 inches? Crutchfield says 6 1/2 and Sounddomain.com says 7.

[IBAID]

here let me help u out
the speaker size is 6 1/2 if u dont wanna take my word for it
look it up urself... go to bestbuy "speaker fit" they have a pretty trustworthy guide...

Also about ur infinity's, one of my friend have the ref series a 6 1/2 in his 90 camry and it sounds damn good...Im not sure about the kappa but from what i hear its a better speaker than ref....so either way i think u'll be ok if u go with infinity... Im goin to upgrade to infinity's as well , but i will wait for the summer...

As for the pioneers i have those in my car and they have pretty good highs, but i really really would advice u to go wit infinitys...a couple of reasons,cuzz inf. are better, and almost everybody have pioneers nowadays cuzz of bestbuy lol...it pays to be a lil diff from everybody else ya know?

if ur gonna get a 6 1/2 inf. thenn u might as well get the 6x9...i know exactly how it will sound ...my boy have a 6 1/2 and 3" inf setup and it CLEARLY sounds better than my pioneer 6 1/2 and my xplod 6x9... damn how i wish i didnt buy those xplods...so.........get the inf...
-when u do install ur speaker make sure u spring for the extra 40 bucks for the dynamats... u'll thank me later... Listen to me and ull be alrite...BTW...the inf have better highs than the pioneer and better bass as well...

[JMoney2004]

Thanks man.

And the Kappas are better speakers. The Reference 6 1/2 have 150-180 RMS, depending on which you buy. The Kappas have 225, so that's a big difference, and the price is only 50 higher for the 2-way Kappa and 100 higher for the 3-way Kappa. I want the Infinity Kappa 63.5i for my front doors but Crutchfield says the won't fit, so I don't know.

As for the 6x9's, I was goin with the Kappa 692.5i no matter what....unless the 693.5i would fit. The RMS on Reference 6x9's to Kappas isn't as much as the 6 1/2's, 100 - 110, but the Kappas are supposed to have a better response and peak at 330 compared to the Reference's 300. And they're also made better, C.M.M.D. cones and Hi-roll rubber surround along with a 3 year warranty (Refs have only 1) which is good if you abuse them.


Just a little advice to you in return, if you were wondering which Infinity speakers to buy.


And the Dynamat, I don't know anything about that, could you tell me a little?

[JaJay721]

Dynomat is a sound deadener and most likely won't be worth your time and hassle.

The Kappas are a much better speaker than the Reference, although the Reference are one of the best bang for the buck speakers on the market. You can't really go by the statistics, you have to hear them. RMS does not equal sound quality. The Kappas also have a very large magnet that may not fit depending on your car. When buying speakers you have to check out the depth as well.

[IBAID]

jay-whered u come to conclude that dynomats are sound deadener? it is worth the money because it gives u a better bass reflex...Also i have a 99 camry, and my 6x9 b4 used to rattle my back deck , until i put the dynomats...
the reason for me saying to get dynomats is because i have it in three 3 cars,and it the only thing it did was give me a a whole lot better bass reflex...
i have it in my 99 camry, my boys 90 camry, and my families 99 alero...ohh also, my friends nizzan z(yeh wit z's)...he actually spent about 300$ alone on dynamats for his whole back...Maybe u've had bad experience with it, but out of the 4 cars ive mentioned they all improved the sound quality...
hmmm... jmoney, one resolution i can tell u is put ur speakers on, then see how it is, then put in the dynamats, if u dont mind the extra work of taking out ur back seats and all that...maybe some other guy can give their input about it...

brief explanation of dynamats is; they are rubber typed materia in which u stick in ur car for a better bass reflex...specially if ur gonna have some subs...oh yeah, have u ever driven around and another car comes by wit a lil sound system, and when he passes by his whole trunk is rattling, thats an examply of non-dynamat person... u lose sound and bass with the rattling,so thats why dynamats should be put...but if u dont have any rattling, it still improves ur bass reflex, in my opinion because ive heard it with and without several times and it always sound better with it on...
one more lil thing-u can buy dynamats in bestbuy for 20$ jus try is out and test it urself and stick under ur rear deck... u should install it around the speaker but jus so u can hear the diff go with that set up...
thx for the advice ill keep that in mnd, but i dont think bout gettin speakers till im about to get them or imma start twitchin. theres no need for me to get riled up for no reason...

[JaJay721]

jay-whered u come to conclude that dynomats are sound deadener?

Because Dynamat is a sound deadening material... that's what it does. The physical properties of it make it great for absorbing vibrations as well. If you don't have any subs, the time/money you put into dynomat could better be spent elsewhere in most cases... like upgrading from Reference to Kappa speakers.

What did you think Dynamat was? A magical foam that makes your music sound better?

[IBAID]

i gotta say no...
its actually sound REFLECTING, not deadening...i was more interested in ur experience with it? u would have to be an audiophiliac to understand...
ex: if u have sub box it need to be made of wood cuzz bass travels or gets conducted better by wood... the thicker the wood the better...

i agree with u that it absorbs vibration, but vibration is the cause of sound...thats why if u use dynamats its like hitting 2 birds wit one stone effect...im not sure of the physical materia of it, but i know what it does...if iit is a sound deadener like u said, then how come sound travels better when its in my car compared to when it wasn't... that y im askin u for ur past exp? cuzz i feel silly defendin dynamat, but i can let up if u can tell me how and y u feel that way? hopefully not cuzz u heard from a friends friend cousins brother...

[JaJay721]

Dynamat is a sound deadening material made to withstand the temperatures and climate of being inside your car. When you add dynamat to your car you are in a sense trying to turn your car into a sound-proof room. It helps cancel outside noise interference and helps prevent your sound from inside the cabin from escaping. For example, if you dynamat your trunk... more bass stays in your car rather than escaping out the trunk. It also helps reduce any interference noise that may have been added through any vibrations of your trunk.

You may have heard about "reflecting sound" and basically that is because it helps trap the sound inside your car, thus "reflecting" it rather than letting it escape. This along with less outside interference and vehicle rattle helps produce clearer sound.

Dynamat doesn't like to use the word sound deadening material, they call it sound cancelling material or some other crap because they think people will take the term "sound deadening" as a negative when trying to improve sound quality. Check out dynamat alternatives (such as www.fatmat.com) and most of them will use the term sound deadening because that is truly what it is.

And I've received all my car audio knowledge from my neighbor's third cousin's ex-wife.

[IBAID]

lol u crack me up jay and im not being sarcastic-bout ur info...good one-

anyways u jus prooved my point... u said it urself it improves the sound clarity and bass...wha else u need?
u basically jus glorified my words... so then why are u telling him not to get dynamats when it clearly(u said this) makes the sound better? im not trying to pick a fight but lets jus agree dynamat works?

[JaJay721]

Yes dynamat works, but isn't cheap and it takes a lot time to install properly. If you don't do it yourself you will be paying out your ass to have a professional installer do it. That money would generally be better spent on an amp or better speakers.

If you look at his system, he's not spending a lot of money. Dynamat can begin to get costly and is a bitch to install. For his system, it really isn't worth the trouble unless he has problems. He has no subs and Infinity and Pioneer speakers sound best when you don't send them much bass. Not to mention they can't produce enough bass to where you're going to feel like you're losing some.

What's the point to spending $100 on 4 peices of dynamat (the size of looseleaf paper) when you're gonna put a 6.5" speaker and a 6x9" speaker in it? It's really made to prevent vibrations from the speaker if you're having problems. If you want to dynamat to improve sound you have to really do a lot.

[JMoney2004]

I did get some knowledge out of that argument. Lol. I don't think I will get the Dynamat. I went and priced all this stuff today at a few car audio stores. They told me not to get it unless I decide on some subs. They did, however, recommend speaker baffles for both front and rear speakers, any advice on those?

And Jay, I did consider the depth and magnet size, which is the reason I am getting References for the front door instead of Kappas. Some websites say they won't fit. I do want the Kappa 3-ways for the rear but I don't see why Crutchfield says they won't fit, unless the tweeter sticks out too much.

[IBAID]

its 40$ bucks for 4 stripsss for goodness sakes... but this arguemnt is over cuzz he made his coice...
sorry but havent heard anytbin bout baffles?

[JaJay721]

Speaker baffles are basically form fitting speaker enclosures. They help with bass and some clarity, as well as remove some speaker vibration.