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Old 01-19-2005, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow Kenwood OR Pioneer OR Alpine

Guys, Will you help me select either one of these Kenwood KDC-MP425 OR Pioneer DEH-P4700MP OR Alpine CDA-9847. I have gone thru their specs and features and this is where I'm stuck...

Pioneer and Kenwood have 22W RMS, while the Alpine has only 18W...would 4W make a big difference

Alpine has 3 Pre-Amp outputs, including a Sub Preamp outputs, while Pioneer and Kenwood do not have the Sub Preamp output

Appreciate inputs and suggestions...
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Old 01-19-2005, 03:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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4W would hardly make a difference.

I'd pick the Alpine. I like the styling versus the others on your list. It has 3 pre outs for flexibility in setting up your system, ipod ready and for you old schoolers, it's got a BBE processor.
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Old 01-19-2005, 09:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pioneer and Kenwood have 22W RMS, while the Alpine has only 18W...would 4W make a big difference
I would use an external instead of the buildin amp if power is a concern.

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Alpine has 3 Pre-Amp outputs, including a Sub Preamp outputs, while Pioneer and Kenwood do not have the Sub Preamp output
Means nothing if you don't plan on getting a sub later. Even then most people won't actually use all 3 pre-amp outputs.
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Old 01-19-2005, 10:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have a 95 Camry I4, and intent to go for the Kappa 962.5i (6x9) in the rear and the Kappa 63.5i (6 1/2) in the front, with the Alpine HU ( if its the best)

Whats the decent amp that is recommended for the setup. I do not want to go for a high price, instead just a good one that would be around $125 - $150. No intention of a sub currently, maybe later sometime.

Also, would the stock alternator and battery take care of the required power, or would I need to replace it for the new setup
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They're all pretty good. I'd take the Pioneer or the Alpine over the Kenwood.
The new pioneers are coming out very soon, cardomain has the specs.

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIODEHP4700MP?vq_id=none
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Means nothing if you don't plan on getting a sub later. Even then most people won't actually use all 3 pre-amp outputs.




How's that, man? The 3rd pre-amp is probably the most important thing if you have a sub...you want as much control over specifics of your system as possible....
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How's that, man? The 3rd pre-amp is probably the most important thing if you have a sub...you want as much control over specifics of your system as possible....

Most of the time the rear output is a non fading output. The sub amp is ran off of that. Sub levels are still adjustable.
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really...

I don't understand tho....

2 sets of pre-outs =
set 1 and 2 go to the 4-chnl amp for front and rear speakers

2 sets of pre-outs =
set 1 and 2 go to the 4-chnl amp for front and rear speakers, and 3 goes to the sub-amp


so if the rear-outs are non-fading, then the rear speakers would never go down in volume either..
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okay, the units themselves are actually all pretty identical. What you really need to do is ask yourself how you will be using this. Are you a predominatly CD user, Radio listener? Every car audio manufacturer has there only little niche that concetrates on one aspect. Kenwood has the best AM/FM tuner on the market. Thats what they are known for. Pioneer is a Bell and Whistle company. They give you more features to play with to "custimize" it to your own liking. Alpine on the other hand, its a different story, they tend to be the most reliable units on the market, and are above average in both Cd and Radio, though its Tuner is not as good as kenwood's, it is better than pioneers, Alpines CD section is better than both kenwood and pioneer, but no where near as clean as an eclipse.

I hope the info helps. IF there are any other questions feel free to PM me or AIM me @ WortownSolara.

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Thanks!! Guys for all the info...

My next question is will any of the above HUs be enough to drive Kappa 962.5i (6x9) in the rear and the Kappa 63.5i (6 1/2) in the front. Will I get a decent output? or are HU for these speakers are a "NO GO". If an Amp is required, which one would be good enough in the range of $125... models & makes please...

Also, I'm a new guy to the DIY thing... so whats the possibility of running into issues especially with the AMP install..
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any of those headunits, especially the alpine, will push those speakers very nicely, but then again i dont know how loud you like your music. my suggestion is to put in the radio and if you still want more power, u can always add a 4-channel amp then
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really...

I don't understand tho....

2 sets of pre-outs =
set 1 and 2 go to the 4-chnl amp for front and rear speakers

2 sets of pre-outs =
set 1 and 2 go to the 4-chnl amp for front and rear speakers, and 3 goes to the sub-amp


so if the rear-outs are non-fading, then the rear speakers would never go down in volume either..
If you are going to be using a 4 channel amp and rearfill and a subwoofer/sub amp, then you are better starting out with a 3 preout cd player. That doesn't mean you can't use the deck with 2 preouts, you will just have to use some sort of y-adapter to split the signal.
One for each side of the rca.

The only problem with that is you lose the ability to control the fade from front to rear. But for some people that is ok cause they like it centered anyways.

I prefer not to have any rear speakers so a 2 channel preout cd player will work fine for that situation. However any cd player that I'm looking at will have 3 preouts because it's in that class of cd player.
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Thanks!! Guys for all the info...

My next question is will any of the above HUs be enough to drive Kappa 962.5i (6x9) in the rear and the Kappa 63.5i (6 1/2) in the front. Will I get a decent output? or are HU for these speakers are a "NO GO". If an Amp is required, which one would be good enough in the range of $125... models & makes please...

Also, I'm a new guy to the DIY thing... so whats the possibility of running into issues especially with the AMP install..

What are you paying for the speakers, Maybe you can afford some better speakers, but those kappas are decent.

If your budget is 125 for an amp than you might want to look into a 2 channel amp for the front and run the rear speakers off the headunit. Plus you'll still be able to control the fade, if you plan on using the second preout for a subwoofer later. I'll list some sugggestions in a min.
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Probably looking at $125 - $150 for each pair, havent bought them yet, but from reviews..looked like the most welcome. Would you have any other GOOD ones in the same price range or less? Also, the SUB would be later sometime... no BUDGET...

If I put in a 2 ch amp, the question again is would the rear speakers of the HU have a good output ( not loud enough to turn the driver next to me..) Also do list some 4 ch amps too....
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Probably looking at $125 - $150 for each pair, havent bought them yet, but from reviews..looked like the most welcome. Would you have any other GOOD ones in the same price range or less? Also, the SUB would be later sometime... no BUDGET...

If I put in a 2 ch amp, the question again is would the rear speakers of the HU have a good output ( not loud enough to turn the driver next to me..) Also do list some 4 ch amps too....
IMO(and alot of others peoples) the way I'd do it is to spend 300 dollars on a sweet set of 6.5" components and not do any rear speakers at all. I prefer to have a front sound stage and no rear fill. This is how most sound quality installs are. And get a 2 channel amp to send them over 150 watts each. Doing this will yield you much better results than going with 4 150 dollar midlevel speakers all around and a 4 channel amp. You can always run the rear speakers off the deck if you want some rearfill for rear passengers.

If you do go that route, and I suggest you do is to get some CDT hD62's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...744235373&rd=1
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