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Old 04-27-2005, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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need advice about where to add eDead to doors

I'm adding some eDead to get rid of some rattles in my corolla. My question is, on what surfaces should I place the eDead?

When you remove the plastic cover for the door, there are 3 surfaces I can think of, the actual metal of the outside door, the surface of the metal that the speaker is drilled into, and the surface of the plastic. Should I try to coat all three?

Most posts I've found seem to only mention covering the first two and leave the plastic alone, but it seems to me that the plastic is what would cause most of the rattling. Anyone have any experience with this?
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If I were you I would put the deadening material on the two places and under the plastic, but leave the plasric if you can. I would put it wherever I could, because it also reduces road noise.
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I do the outer door skin, and the inner door panel

like this





On top of the edead, I apply some type of closed cell foam. Ensolite foam is good RIck @ www.raamaudio.com can get it pretty cheap.

I also apply ensolite foam on top of the mat between the door panel and the door, it doubles as a sound barrier, as well as a buffer between the door panel and the door.

The door panels themselves, I like to use the liquid deadener Edead V3 on the back of them.
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OK, I will try to do mine as close to that as I can. How long does something like that usually take?
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OK, I will try to do mine as close to that as I can. How long does something like that usually take?
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t64909.html

For each door to do it this way, it will take a long time(if you use liquid deadener on back of panels, gotta wait for it to dry)

If you skip that step I'd say each door takes about a good hour and a half.
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how do you get the mat all over the inside panel? did you use any tools to make it stick, or just pressed with fingers?

im gonna have to internet order sound deadener since i couldnt find any locally. i know you recommend the edead, do you have any way of getting it cheaper??
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We're now officially on their discount list. So use that code for 20% off.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/forum_discount.php
Make sure to get the v1.se, v1 is only 45 mils thick.
But I would strongly recomend Raammat over eDead. raamaudio.com Rick sells it for 89.00 usd for 62.5 sq ft., he can also get ensolite foam for good prices as well.


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how do you get the mat all over the inside panel? did you use any tools to make it stick, or just pressed with fingers?
There's surprisingly alot of room to get in there. I just used my hands. A little roller will help out too though.
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ok, so what are the ESSENTIAL areas. i was thinking about doing the front doors and the rearmost panel, the one that faces the bed, since thats where my sub is.

anything else thats a MUST?

how many square ft should i order?
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I would do the rear doors too, even if you're not putting speakers in there. I pretty much do everything when I do a car. Gut it completely and go to town.

This is for an all out install(some say it's overkill, I say it can't hurt)

Using v1.se or raammat60 bxt
For the front doors- On the outer doorskin, do at least two full layers. In the middle part of the door and behind the midbass do 3 layers. If you want to go all out, do two layers of V3 liquid deadener on top of the mat.

On top of the edead use one layer of sound barrier. There is a couple of different options here. You can go with Ensolite foam from Rick(raamaudio). You can use Dynamt extremeliner or something similar, or carpet juke padding(only on floor of car though, don't wan't it in the doors because it will hold moisture), like from home depot. Not as effective as the extremeliner but alot cheaper.

Just found this, looks good for the price.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=260-318

Directly behind the midbass mount Cascade Deflex Pads to the door. These are specially designed to prevent speaker cone break-up due to standing waves and enclosure resonances.



To get the ensolite/barrier foam to stick to the matting use 3M super 77 spray glue. Also use this for the deflex pad.

Once you have the outer door skin mattes, sound barriered and deflex pads installed(last parts kind of optional, but it can't hurt) it's time to seal off the big holes that allowed access to mat the door. Doing this will turn your door into a pseudo enclosure. AKA infinite baffle.

To do this you should get a piece of tin or aluminum and cut it to the shape of the opening. Place the tin on top of the inner door skin and mat over that. Make sure that there is a layer of mat between the door and the aluminum before laying mat over the whole thing. If you can get the peice of metal mounted inside of the door, that would be better(bend it, stick it in then unbend and seal with mat. But on top should be ok too.

On the inner door panel, I use at least two layers of matting on that, basically make your door look something like this afterwards


For mounting the speaker to the door make a trim ring out of MDF. Between the MDF and the door you will want to use some type of diffuser. You can use rubber weatherstripping or even double sided 3m tape, or use some of the acoustic dampening foam

I also plan on deadening my door panels themselves using Edead V.3 liquid deadener. Basically take the door panel off and tape any area you don't want deadener to get to(like the window switch or mounting clips) Paint a good 2 layers onto the panel.

Now between the panel and the door you want to use a layer of ensolite or that other stuff I linked. This will do two things- Act as a buffer to stop the door panel from rattling, and it also will help block out road noise.

Once you have the foam applied to the door using the 3M spray glue you will be ready to mount the door panel(after you installed your speakers of course)

On the back doors I do the same thing but not as much matting. Maybe 2 layers max, atleast 1 good layer. 1 layer of sound barrier foam, then mat inner door skin with one0two layers of mat, and a layer of sound barrier foam between door and panel. Use edead v3 on panel too. It helps.

For the back wall do at least two layers on matting, with a layer of sound barrier foam between back wall and panel(edead v3'd )

For the roof, do 1-2 layers of mat and layer of sound barrier foam. No need for edead v3 on the headliner.

For the floor do at least two layer's, 3 if you feel or hear resonance from floor(use a rubber malet) You can use any type of sound barrier here. I'd use extremeliner in this situation if possible, because the floor is where alot of the road noise comes from, but any of those barriers will work fine. If using Ensolite foam, do two layers(that stuffs only 1/8" thick)

Try to get up into the firewall as far as you can go with the matting and the sound barrier.

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where to use Edead...everywhere, you can never use too much. NOTE this doesn't apply to windows and moving parts
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yea, make sure you don't accidently apply it to the moving parts. It'll stick it to the metal and the deadner and not move again.

I really don't think 3 layers is neccessary, but whatever floats your boat....
And if you really wanna sound proof your car, don't just do the doors only, you gotta do the entire car.

Take the seats out and lay them on the floor as well. I even did my trunk ( duh...need it def. for the subs) you should use atleast 2 layers for the floor and trunk, doors are optional, i think 1 layer should be sufficient, but again, it won't hurt to add a 2nd layer on the doors.
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Old 06-02-2005, 05:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hate to bring up an old thread, but this seemed like the most relevant one to my question. I just bought 50 sq. ft. of eDead v1.SE, and I think it'll be enough to do 2 layers on all my doors. Should I do 1 layer on the outer door skin and 1 layer on the inner door panel, or 2 layers on the outer door skin, or maybe 1 layer somewhere on the doors and 1 layer on the floor? I just want to reduce road noise on the freeway, but want to know exactly where the eDead will be most useful, given how much I have. I'm not really going for a serious SQ or SPL setup to reduce vibration from my speakers.
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do two layers in the doors one on the inside skin, one on the outside

the floor has carpeting and padding to help some of the road noise
but the doors typically have next to nothing
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I did 2 on the outermost door skin and almost 2 on the inner door skin with 40sq ft. It made a huge difference for door rattle, but I didn't really notice too much of a reduction in road noise. Not to say that it didn't help, but i just didn't notice a big change in road noise before and after.
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according to cam, to get rid of road noise, you need to add foam...theres a post around here somewhere...
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