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Old 07-09-2005, 11:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright, ive been getting into audio stuff lately. Its addicting, i know! Time to use my next paycheck.

Anyways, I think its time to replace my infinity/audiobahn system.

I am looking, but I do not want to spend a lot. Cheaper is better. I like Diamond stuff, I am rather uninformed about brands and all. Im looking to spend up to $200ish on amps, and about $250 on 2 12's.

For the speakers in the cabin, about $150 or less for fronts, $100ish for an amp. Cheaper is better.. yeah i know small paychecks

This is what I have come up with. Im looking for a system that will sound good, give good bass, but Im not going to try and blow my windows off with the bass.

So here is what I am thing of. BTW, I have no idea how dual ohms and that works, I have been reading but aim me the right direction.



2) Diamond Audio D5300.2 300W 2 Channel Amplifier LINK
2) Diamond Audio D3 12D4 D312D4 4 ohm 12" SUB LINK
I might sell my cap for extra money now I think of it, or should I keep it?

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For the inside speakers, I am more confused on whats good whats not. So I will post something I think would be "ok" you correct me.

1) Diamond Audio D5300.4 300W 4Channel Amplifier LINK
1) Diamond Audio M361 6.5" 2 Way Component Speakers LINK
Not use the rear Speakers?

How does this sound for a budget system?
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Is it your brand preference to solely use Diamond? My advice would be to go to a car stereo shop and actually LISTEN to some speakers/subs. Me, Cam2x, and some others are going to throw out a bunch of brands, model numbers, prices, etc. but unlike you, we've been around car audio long enough (or rather are car audio nuts) to have personally heard the stuff we recommend.

Diamond stuff is great -- no doubt about that -- and their 2004 lineup can be had at dirt cheap prices, but you should take some time and research before you make any purchases. Car audio is an investment and the goal is NOT to buy something you're going to be dissatisfied with down the road.

Hope this helps... (haha, it probably didn't since I didn't recommend anything...)

Personally, I think you're fine with the setup you have right now. You should concentrate [your money] on your front stage (ditch the rear) and getting that properly assembled and tuned. In the case of you may have heard Audiobahn stuff is crap and Infinity is merely mediocre, my belief is: don't destroy something that's working great for you.
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Personally, I think you're fine with the setup you have right now. You should concentrate [your money] on your front stage (ditch the rear) and getting that properly assembled and tuned. In the case of you may have heard Audiobahn stuff is crap and Infinity is merely mediocre, my belief is: don't destroy something that's working great for you.
Well, after listening to some setups, JL, Diamonds etc, I find whats wrong with my system. The infinity's highs are raspy, the lows are not that clear with my amp. Dont get me wrong its not bad but I wan to start learning about all this. I enjoy the audio process, and its time I started to get into it more. I mean, I just redid my wiring, tuned my amps, put a new amp in, and I feel like I should step up to the next level because I enjoy my music, I enjoy working on this stuff. My friend is also interested in my subs and probably my amp while im at it. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone, no?

Im just into the Diamonds right now is because of the D5 and D3 being so cheap, it seems like a steal because when I first got what I have now, they were not that cheap.

also, the components I listed, they all together will use 4 seperate inputs if I use that amp?
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Good advice from TakeABao

Definitely focus on the front stage. Rear speakers are not neccesary. If you think you do want rear speakers, I would throw those Infinities in the rear deck. But after you have built up a decent front component system and properly install/tune it, then decide on if you need rear speakers. You probably will find out that it detracts from the dynamics of the front stage.

Diamond amps are nice. I'd definitely run them myself for that price. I'd step up to the D5600.4 for the front components if you can.

For speakers however, unless you are going with the D9's(which cost an arm and a leg) you can do better.

Let me see if I can put together something awesome for your budget. What headunit are you using?
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Good advice from TakeABao

Definitely focus on the front stage. Rear speakers are not neccesary. If you think you do want rear speakers, I would throw those Infinities in the rear deck. But after you have built up a decent front component system and properly install/tune it, then decide on if you need rear speakers. You probably will find out that it detracts from the dynamics of the front stage.

Diamond amps are nice. I'd definitely run them myself for that price. I'd step up to the D5600.4 for the front components if you can.

Let me see if I can put together something awesome for your budget. What headunit are you using?
Unfortunately its an older Sony Model CDX5000? I think like 50x4 peak ones, nothing special, has a front and rear output. Ill be upgrading eventually, but not yet.
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It's all good, as long as it'll read the cd, it can be an awesome system. But do upgrade that in the future, it'll make a big difference.

If you notice that eBay seller you listed for the d5300.2 is taking best offers, and he also has a few .99 c starting NR auctions going on those same amps. See which one you can do best on.

Since you like the Diamond amps, go with those. D5300.2 on tweeters, D5300.2 on Mids. D5600.2 for the sub(s). That will cost about 420 $ in amps. If you can afford it get the D5600.2 for the mids. That'll be another 100 bucks. You might be able to get it cheaper.

http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage...ionId=10438889
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW
By going with seperate amps for your tweeters/mids, you can run the front speakers active using the amps onboard crossovers. When you get a better headunit, get one with a 3 way crossover.

On sub's, this thread @ DIY is definitely worth a read.
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...hp?p=2531#2531

For front speakers, The Seas/LPG combo is impossible to beat for the money IMO. These will cost under 190 bucks for the speakers.. I heard these in my friends car, and I was blown away at how good they sound for the money. I liked it as much as the DLS Iridiums I installed in my friends Tacoma.

Do you have any idea of what the max mounting depth will be in the front doors? Considering you'll need a spacer in the front doors, about 1/2" thick.
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I couldnt tell you the depth. Its a few inches, i think you did an install on your camry awhile ago, its probably the same.

Well here is the thing. I was thinking the 2 amps for the 2 subs, I was going to be doing a new box and I had a few ideas in mind for a 2 amp setup. So would get the 2 300's for the 2 subs and the 1 600 for the components be wise?

Any more info on the seas/lpg? Thanks for all your help
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its the seas/lpg combo recommended again! They must be good! I think i'll get them! =O...
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Still cant find much info on it. Also looks pricy too, if I dont go with those, what do yo uthink of those diamond components? Where do I mount the tweeters at? Should I do it on that mirror bolt cover on the inside? Mod it a little?
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Still cant find much info on it. Also looks pricy too, if I dont go with those, what do yo uthink of those diamond components? Where do I mount the tweeters at? Should I do it on that mirror bolt cover on the inside? Mod it a little?
It'll be worth it. Haven't heard LPG tweeters, but I did hear a pair of Morels with the Seas midrange and it sounded sickkkk

Either fabricate your own fiberglass kickpods or mount your tweets in the A-pillars.
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I couldnt tell you the depth. Its a few inches, i think you did an install on your camry awhile ago, its probably the same.

Well here is the thing. I was thinking the 2 amps for the 2 subs, I was going to be doing a new box and I had a few ideas in mind for a 2 amp setup. So would get the 2 300's for the 2 subs and the 1 600 for the components be wise?

Any more info on the seas/lpg? Thanks for all your help
I think you'd be better off getting one D5600.2 for the subs than two D5300.2's. The D5600.2 is twice the power, so it'll be the same as running two amps for the subs. When you run two amps for two subs, you have to perfectly level match the amps, and even then it can be difficult to make the subs play in synch with each other if the gain is slightly different. I would rec. using two amps for the components though. One for the tweeters and one for the mids. The reason for this is because if you chose to go with the Seas/LPG combo, you will have to wire it active, meaning no passive crossovers that a component set comes with. You will get better results that way. Or you can use a 4 channel amp, but you'll get more power for the money if you use two amps.

Oh yeah, I just noticed that the D5300.4 is much cheaper than the D5600.2. Here's what I' thinking. It should work out really good.

D5300.2 on tweeters, D5300.4 BRIDGED(150 watts rms x 2) to the mids. D5600.2 bridged to 600 watts rms x 1 @ 4 ohms for the subs.

To be honest with you the Diamond components aren't that good. I have a friend who has the S600 (hex) components and he isn't too impressed with them, and neither was I. The lower line can't be any better. The Seas/LPG combo was MUCH better than his 300 dollar Diamond components.

If you want an inexspensive component set with passive crossovers, I'd look into the CDT EF series. Or the eDi6000s. The CDT's are around 150+ the eDi's are 125 shipped. Both are a big step down from the Seas/LPG though.

For more info on the Seas CA18RNX or the new G18RNX and LPG 25NFA do a search on www.diymobileaudio.com.

npdang is the admin of that site and can get you a good deal on them, I'm guessing it'll cost about 190 shipped, but get a quote from him.
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On the subs, for the budget, I think you'll be very happy with these Soundstream Exact's.
http://www.millionbuy.com/souexw10.html

If you don't mind spending more I'd look into a pair of IDQ's. 12's or 15's preferably.
These are also very nice SQ subs.
http://www.oaudio.com/TC2_PLUS.html
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You'll like them, I'm sure. Just make sure you have 4 channels of amplification and amps or a headunit that has flexible crossovers.
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Just saw this a min. ago.
http://www.carsound.com/UBB/ultimate...0;t=009902;p=2

He's selling Brand new Arc Audio XXK4050's for 250 You can turn around and sell that for much more than that.
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Just saw this a min. ago.
http://www.carsound.com/UBB/ultimate...0;t=009902;p=2

He's selling Brand new Arc Audio XXK4050's for 250 You can turn around and sell that for much more than that.
I saw that too -- something about it just doesn't seem right.
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