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Old 09-22-2005, 07:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is there a cheaper, but still decent version of dynamat out there I can buy. I tried the search...
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Old 09-22-2005, 08:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is there a cheaper, but still decent version of dynamat out there I can buy. I tried the search...
o god. how many time has cam2xrunner posted the link to Raammat60 around here??? its like in every thread in the a/v section. anyways here it is again

http://www.raamaudio.com/


there is also

http://edesignaudio.com/category.php?type=damp


but Raammat60 is better
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Old 09-22-2005, 08:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i second rammat.... i have a bunch sitting around, contimplating (sp?) doing up the trunk, but probably never will since i don't rattle much and it will add some weight i could do without - that is why i only have my 10
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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o god. how many time has cam2xrunner posted the link to Raammat60 around here???



Yup, I whole heartedly rec. Raammat. There's cheaper stuff out there, but for the quality, raammat is the best value I've come accross.

When you email Rick, tell him I sent you and you'd like the forum discount. It's 10 bucks off the reg price.
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well, thanks fo rthe link, and sorry for not finding it somehow...I guess I'm mildly retarded
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nah, you're not retarded, you just haven't been browsing the A/V forum j/k
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Nah, you're not retarded, you just haven't been browsing the A/V forum j/k
True, I haven't been, you caught me lol
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 09-23-2005, 02:59 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I just picked up some "peel & seal", 6" x 25', $12.50. Lowes had it, I might try and get them to order a roll of 12" wide. I have not put it on anything yet.
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Peal and seal will work ok on non vertical surfaces and non-upside down surfaces. So your floor and the rear deck is where you might not have any problems(except for the smell). It's 45Mils thick and asphalt based. This is pretty much the same as most 45 mil thick deadeners out there. At your pricing it is 1.00per sq ft. Assuming 12.50 is including tax.

Raammat is Butyl Based, and 60 mils thick. A Butyl rubber based compound will withstand higher temperatures than Asphalt and hold it's shape longer. Asphalt will melt off before Butyl based deadeners.

Check outthis heat test comparison from the Sound Deadener Showdown.

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Dynamat Original started to fail immediately. The Dynamic Control literature describes the composition as "styrene-butyadine-rubber". A quick Google and I learned that this is a compound used to manufacture rubber soles for shoes and tires. Even though it got a little smokey at 400°F, it never melted. Instead it curled into a rigid brown and porous mass - pretty much what I imagine a baked tire might look like. In any case, it was much easier to clean up than the residue left by the know asphalt products.

FatMat, eDead V1 and eDead V1SE performed virtually identically. They failed early and melted into pools of black goo at the same time and temperature that they separated from the sheet metal. They liquified and slid off the mounting surface. FatMat straight out acknowledges that it uses a rubberized asphalt composite. They consider it a virtue. Both eDead mats describe their composition as "integrated rubber combination", they apparently don't consider asphalt content a virtue worth mentioning. Forum accounts of these three products failing are far more prevalent than any others that I have read. All three also have many dedicated users.

I don't think I am going too far out on a limb to say that rubberized asphalt and "integrated rubber mystery combination" are significantly less expensive to manufacture.
Peal and seal= Fatmat = eDead.

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A thin mat may be cheaper per ft2, but if you need more layers than a thicker, heavier product, the second may actually be less expensive. Conversely, there may be applications where the thicker, heavier mat may be more than is needed in a single layer - wasting product.

Several of these products are sometimes available through channels other than those listed. Some are sold on eBay, some sponsor group buys and some run promotions from time to time. I'm not sure that I will ever be able to acurately reflect that sort of pricing, but be aware that there may be other pricing options available.

Listing the price breakdown for each city results in a very number dense table. To create a clearer presentation, I have created two tables with the shipped prices averaged, first sorted by price per square foot, then by price per pound. The detailed, unordered presentation follows.

The Results with Shipping Averaged - Sorted by Price per Square Foot

Link to price comparison tables

So you pay a little over a dollar more per sq ft as peal and seal, but you have a product that will hold up better than peal and seal, and of course be more effective because of the thickness.


Now I know probably sound like a Salesman, but when I believe in a product that works well and saves people money, I reccomend it.
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I definitely understand the heat issue, it is only rated to 150 degrees. I am going to try a test in the oven to see how it does on vertical surfaces as the temp approaches that. My truck is white (not as hot) and I live near the beach and avoid "Valley of the Dirt People" so I might get lucky. But I am going to check how it behaves as the temp goes over 100 degrees.
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It's not only the heat that makes it fall off, it just doesn't really stick as well as other options.

btw, each one of my doors usually takes about 35 sq ft of 60 mil thick deadener.
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35 sq ft?!? how many layers do you do?
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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raam all the way. I bought 62 sq. I did 2 layers on my trunk lid, 3 layers behind the plastic "camry" panel that vibrates like hell, 1 layer on the deck and a little in the doors, I still have a good 20sq left to play with
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I was hoping wit one roll, I could do my floor, doors, deck, trunk and possibly my roof. IS this being over zealous?
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