Now, my signature will self-dub me as a GM fanboy..but I hope you'll see past that and hear me out.
I had great hopes for the new Tundra, as a general auto. enthusiast. I had hoped that it would be a competitive truck and give the Domestics something new to fight for. Because, well, they have always owned the full-size truck market. And while the new Tundra came out swinging, it seems it tired itself out in the first round. Now, no vehicle is perfect..whether it be domestic or import, and especially not in the first run of the game..but to me, the Tundra is meerly riding upon the Toyota name. And as of recently, its been taking a beating. The truck market and car market are two very different fields, I think Toyota took after the truck market as it would the car market. One thing that stands out to me is the interior styling, its love it or hate it..in a car, it would probably be widely accepted..but again, the truck market is different, a bit more conservative. As time goes on, we are seeing more and more trucks/suvs taking the roles that cars once did, veering away from their utility and "work" purposes. But when it all comes down to it, it is most important to cater to those that will push the vehicles capabilities to the limit and on occassion, then some. The Domestic trucks have no doubt had their problems over the years, but interior quality is something that many would rather live with then a broken cam shaft, a problem transmission, or the fear of destroying a tailgate from laying a few bags of cement on it. That is not acceptable in a truck, not at all. So with that, its hard for me to swallow the idea that this is supposed to be a reliable and capable truck compared to the competition that has proven itself without fail for decades.
Again, please take this for what its worth and don't hold judgment on me by thinking I am bias. I would have LOVED to have seen a Tundra that took after the Tacoma (which is the very best in its class). I just hope they dont try to steroid out the Tacoma and loss sight of what the vehicles intent is for the sake of looking like the biggest kid on the block. As I remember, the bigger they are the harder they fall.
You're right, this new Tundra has yet to be "proven" in so many facets. But then again you gotta start somewhere, and no doubt Toyota will (and already did) run into many problems for years to come, and that goes for any type of vehicle, truck or otherwise.
Give it time and Toyota will surely improve the Tundra, along with more bashing from domestic fanboys as well.
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that twatwaffle gives me headaches, so i tend to avoid him.
I think Toyota did quite well for the release of their fullsize pickup, considering the 1Gen Tundra and T100 were viewed as 7/8's trucks. But I agree that Toyota should have done a little bit more R&D/testing to ensure that the powertrain was more bulletproof. I think the reliability will still hold strong, but I think the bad cams (the whole 20 reported), trans problems (which are intermittent), and other fit and finish problems are putting a bad taste in people's mouths. But at least Toyota has been on the ball on replacing/repairing problems...
BTW, make sure you are careful on this forum, so you aren't labeled a troll So far, I have no qualms with you
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Piston slap, high oil usage, plastic intakes leaking coolant, spark plugs blowing out of cylinder heads, fires, automatic transmission "shudder" (and a lot worse) have been known problems with GM and Ford trucks for the past decade or so. I'm not aware of any specific Dodge problems, but there may be some. Toyota is just being looked at more critically because of a better reputation to begin with.
And oil burning issues on some I4 and V6 models (notably, Grand Caravan and the old Neon)
not to mention that ANY dodge vehicle is a turd...i have owned a ton of them....trucks, cars, and the like.....they all are horrible...higher trims are only like masking the truth....
lifetime powertrain warranty is a way for certain niches of buyers to be sucked in to a rattle trap of a cab with crappy ergonomics.....
but interior quality is something that many would rather live with then a broken cam shaft, a problem transmission, or the fear of destroying a tailgate from laying a few bags of cement on it. .
I hesitated buying my tundra being the first year, so I opted for the 4.7 V8 powertrain after hearing of the camshaft and transmission issues w/ the beast 5.7
No problems here, now I know to be careful with the tailgate since I hadn't heard that issue before my purchase. Only 5k so far, but it appears to be a great truck. Time will tell.
I'm new to Toyota, and imports to be exact. I've been a long time domestic truck fan - specifically Dodge Rams. Why did I buy this truck? Hands down, it's the best 1/2 ton currently on the market. I know in the next year or so GM and Dodge are coming out with more powerful V8's and 6 speed autos with increased towing capacity. The new Tundra is simply the biggest boy currently on the market.
I disagree about Toyota not doing enough research on what truck owners want. In fact, I think that is far from the truth. Look at a new F150, Ram or Silverado and you will see a car-like interior. They all have comforts not seen in trucks 5+ years ago. The market - not merely Toyota - has changed what a truck truly is. Toyota created multiple trim levels for the urban yuppy (limited crewmax who needs his backup camera and Bluetooth) all the way to the stripped down regular cab longbed for hauling hay. That is something Nissan didn't do with the Titan. Toyota made a powerful motor, smooth tranny, and geared it properly (now I don't have to worry about swapping 4.56 gears into my trucks like I used to because they came with 3.42's or 3.73's).
I used to make fun of guys that drove the previous Tundra - and even Titan. But when I can buy a bone stock truck with 4.30 gears, exhaust manifolds that more closely remember shorty headers (than cast-iron turds found on GM, Dodge and Ford), a 6 speed auto that has a short 1st and 2nd gear, towing capacity more than 10,000 lbs, a differential almost 1" bigger than Ford, GM, Dodge and Nissan - the answer was simple, buy this truck.
Do I have complains about this truck? Not yet, I only have 1,000 miles on it. But I will say this, the 5.7L I Force is definitely more powerful than my Hemi Ram, 5.4 F150, and the 6.0L Silverado I test drove. It has more top-end than the 5.6L Titan.
I'm not crazy about the Tundra styling, but it's growing on me. And as for a first year run, it has been a great truck. What Toyota loyalists are complaining about (20 defective camshafts, random torque converter problems, etc) are what domestic truck owners deal with on the 2nd, 3rd, hell even 10th year runs of trucks. I know you guys are pampered by driving Toyotas, but it's hardly anything to complain about.
Sincerely,
A lifelong domestic truck buyer turned new Tundra owner
Last edited by patricksd333; 10-31-2007 at 02:50 PM.
I'm new to Toyota, and imports to be exact. I've been a long time domestic truck fan - specifically Dodge Rams. Why did I buy this truck? Hands down, it's the best 1/2 ton currently on the market. I know in the next year or so GM and Dodge are coming out with more powerful V8's and 6 speed autos with increased towing capacity. The new Tundra is simply the biggest boy currently on the market.
I disagree about Toyota not doing enough research on what truck owners want. In fact, I think that is far from the truth. Look at a new F150, Ram or Silverado and you will see a car-like interior. They all have comforts not seen in trucks 5+ years ago. The market - not merely Toyota - has changed what a truck truly is. Toyota created multiple trim levels for the urban yuppy (limited crewmax who needs his backup camera and Bluetooth) all the way to the stripped down regular cab longbed for hauling hay. That is something Nissan didn't do with the Titan. Toyota made a powerful motor, smooth tranny, and geared it properly (now I don't have to worry about swapping 4.56 gears into my trucks like I used to because they came with 3.42's or 3.73's).
I used to make fun of guys that drove the previous Tundra - and even Titan. But when I can buy a bone stock truck with 4.30 gears, exhaust manifolds that more closely remember shorty headers (than cast-iron turds found on GM, Dodge and Ford), a 6 speed auto that has a short 1st and 2nd gear, towing capacity more than 10,000 lbs, a differential almost 1" bigger than Ford, GM, Dodge and Nissan - the answer was simple, buy this truck.
Do I have complains about this truck? Not yet, I only have 1,000 miles on it. But I will say this, the 5.7L I Force is definitely more powerful than my Hemi Ram, 5.4 F150, and the 6.0L Silverado I test drove. It has more top-end than the 5.6L Titan.
I'm not crazy about the Tundra styling, but it's growing on me. And as for a first year run, it has been a great truck. What Toyota loyalists are complaining about (20 defective camshafts, random torque converter problems, etc) are what domestic truck owners deal with on the 2nd, 3rd, hell even 10th year runs of trucks. I know you guys are pampered by driving Toyotas, but it's hardly anything to complain about.
Sincerely,
A lifelong domestic truck buyer turned new Tundra owner
Great 1st post, patrick And welcome to the family
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that twatwaffle gives me headaches, so i tend to avoid him.
I understand where the Dodge tranny reputation came from, but that was in the 90's. Reputations are tough to change, but the 545RE and the 68RE in the Heavy Duty Ram's are solid. The knock on them is they are not that efficient, meaning more power loss through the driveline.
Having owned a 2004 Ram for 3 years, I can tell you the tranny performed as well as any truck I've had.
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