I started an uproar in another forum

[buckstom]

I post on a camper forum and everyone was posting about their tow vehicle so I just had to post about all the power and torque my Tundra has. I also touted my 6 spd automatic and someone came back and said the only bought American trucks and he had a new Avalanche. I asked him if he had looked in the driver's door pillar and saw just where his Avalanche was made. He was appalled that it was made in mexico. Then the rest of the posters ranted about how Toyota put their plants in depressed areas and took advantage of tax breaks and using cheap labor. Then one person when on about how much better GM was than Toyota. I posted that must be the reason they lost $39 Billion last year. There are several Tundra owners in there and they all came along and said that their Tundra was the best truck they ever owned.
I guess I won't get anything questions answered about campers in there for awhile. Sorry for the long thread, but the domestic owners just can't get over their trucks being made outside the country.

[patricksd333]

While I agree this Tundra is the best half-ton I have owned, I also understand the opposing viewpoint. Besides this truck, there is nothing that Toyota makes that I would ever pay money for. Whereas with GM, they have a luxury brand (Cadillac), the Corvette, upcoming Camaro, and a wide variety of trucks that meet various needs - for example, a stripped down V6 longbed Silverado to a fully loaded GMC Denali.

Personally, I think it's difficult to compare (or convince) other people which brand is best. Toyota was/is not built upon high horsepower, stump-pulling trucks. Whereas Ford, GM and Dodge all offer diesels making over 600 ft/lbs of torque. Toyota does not offer a high performance "flagship" type car like the Corvette, Viper or GT500 Mustang.

Where Toyota does best the others is in making small, gas-converving cars and having a more efficient business model.

[Sailfish]

On a boater's forum I frequent there is a lot of Tundra bashing whenever tow vehicles are discussed, but consistently by people who have never driven them. I've got no brand loyalty, in fact I was about to pull the trigger on a new Silverado before I drove a Tundra. I drove them all and found the Toyota to outperform every other truck I drove. And let's not get into the reliability debate, the jury is out on the new Tundra but Toyota has a much cleaner track record than anything from Detroit.

[Vmax2007]

Originally Posted by Sailfish

On a boater's forum I frequent there is a lot of Tundra bashing whenever tow vehicles are discussed, but consistently by people who have never driven them. I've got no brand loyalty, in fact I was about to pull the trigger on a new Silverado before I drove a Tundra. I drove them all and found the Toyota to outperform every other truck I drove. And let's not get into the reliability debate, the jury is out on the new Tundra but Toyota has a much cleaner track record than anything from Detroit.

Just out of curiosity, what boater's forum?

Thanks!

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by trailrider325

it don't matter where you post about the tundra there is always some childesh or idiot gm owner that can't handle that gm s*cks

Oh brother.....now let's keep it real folks. One day my 1993 Toyota Camry wouldn't start. That was how I found this forum (TN)....needed help troubleshooting. Anyway, so it took me a week or so to get around to fixing it. And guess what? My 1971 Cadillac Coupe DeVille got me to work everyday that week.

I love my Camry, I love my Cadillac, and I love my Nissan Armada. Brand loyalty is WAY overrated. If anyone only buys a vehicle simply based on the emblem on the hood, then they are selling themselves short (GM, Toyota, Honda...whatever).

P.S. This was the mechanical breakdown on the Camry in nearly 6 years of ownership. The Cadillac has never failed me......but in all honesty I don't drive all that much because 10 mpg sucks!

P.S.S. The Tundra has an unbelievable drivetrain. The engine (5.7 in particular), tranny, and rear end are sweet. But the frame is suspect IMHO. It is simply not as stiff as the competition..............obviously it isn't a real problem though until actual owners have actual problems.....and so far so good for the Tundra crowd!

[w203]

congrats, i start uproars all the time from people who can't read

*ahem nissan titan

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by w203

congrats, i start uproars all the time from people who can't read

*ahem nissan titan

LOL, there's something to be said for a truck that comes STANDARD with a 5.6 317 hp/385 ft/lbs torque engine. You can pick one up new for just under $20k (XE), but most sell in the low $20k's (XE w/ options and SE). That is an attractive truck to young kids who don't give a rat's a$$ about education.

I have since learned that dumb people are people too though.

[Dana_15]

lol....if you guys have beef take it to PM.

[eurohazard]

Naw, no beef. I drive an Armada, not a Titan. At first it seems like not much difference, but in all honesty a lot of Titan owners actually look down at the Armada, and dismiss it as a "soccer-mom-mobile"! I enjoy a good laugh.

[eurohazard]

Speaking of boats.....my Regal 1900 has a 4.3 V6. And guess who makes that V6? It says "Volvo" all over it, but they are the ones who make the outdrive portion. GM makes the actual engine in my boat (and about 90% of gasoline boats).

But it's not because it is technologically advanced. In fact it's opposite, GM engines are reliable, but mainly CHEAP! An inboard/outboard (sometimes called sterndrive) like mine might cost $5,000 to replace. But an outboard (Honda namely) with the same power will likely cost $20,000.

Just an interesting tidbit I thought I'd share......(in a thread that might get locked)

[Dana_15]

The 4.3 was one of the best V6's GM ever produced, to me they look identical to a small block V8 with the last two cylinders chopped off. My last boss had one in his boat, we rebuilt the motor cheap and easy.

[mhadden]

Originally Posted by Dana_15

The 4.3 was one of the best V6's GM ever produced....

Followed by the 3800...you could put gravel in those things and they'd still run. Now with all these new "funky" displacements, I'm not too sure of their reliability (mainly because they are new..)

[Vmax2007]

Originally Posted by eurohazard

Speaking of boats.....my Regal 1900 has a 4.3 V6. And guess who makes that V6? It says "Volvo" all over it, but they are the ones who make the outdrive portion. GM makes the actual engine in my boat (and about 90% of gasoline boats).

But it's not because it is technologically advanced. In fact it's opposite, GM engines are reliable, but mainly CHEAP! An inboard/outboard (sometimes called sterndrive) like mine might cost $5,000 to replace. But an outboard (Honda namely) with the same power will likely cost $20,000.

Just an interesting tidbit I thought I'd share......(in a thread that might get locked)

My Larson also has the 4.3 V6, with EFI, 225 HP. Awesome power!!! It is also a Volvo Sterndrive, but Mercury Sterndrives use the same GM engine.

Can't compare outboard engine cost to standard engines. It's a completely different design with every cubic inch of space accounted for in an outboard engine. They are highly sophisticated just due to how they have to stuff all of that 10 lbs of crap into a 5 lb bag.

[D1Boz]

LOL I'm glad to see the posts starting to run up again. It's always fun to see people piss in Vmax's wheaties and get him started. LOL Make's for a fun conversation!!!!!

[Dana_15]

Originally Posted by trailrider325

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Originally Posted by Dana_15

lol....if you guys have beef take it to PM.

Please read ^^^^, everyone.