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07 Silver double cab, trd, 5.7l, 4x4
K&N Air intake, Zoomers 304 ss catback
All steel tool box topper. HD ladder rack. Makes one sweet work truck. Calgary, Alberta.
Looks like it will be 2009. Found this on another forum. I drive a Hino for a part-time job. Seems to be a good engine, at least I like it better than the GM diesel we also have. The guage cluster in the pics looks very familiar to me.
My buddy is a Dealer GM for Toyota, as I understand it when and if the Diesel comes out it will most likely not be in the truck we know today, most likely a dualie edition.
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Think this makes gm/ford/dodge a little bit nervous. Surely with the 1 ton diesel will come a 3/4 ton tundra.
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07 Silver double cab, trd, 5.7l, 4x4
K&N Air intake, Zoomers 304 ss catback
All steel tool box topper. HD ladder rack. Makes one sweet work truck. Calgary, Alberta.
GM/FORD/DODGE nervous, I bet there more than nervous, there either going to have to start selling there trucks for minimum 10g less than toyota to even compete in the market or they mise well just pack up ship, I have been a diesel owner of all 3 of those truck and have had many, and I for one have already jumped ship and bought a tundra, love the truck but the fuel milage is horibble, and when they come out with a tundra in the diesel that gets the milage they want I wouldnt even blink a eye to buy one, and I dont even think a 10g less price on a domestic would make me buy one so I think there in trouble big time.
I have recently been doing some research and I think this is what will be avalilble in the near future...
The 2008 Land Cruiser is built on the same basic chassis as the current Tundra and features the 5.7 V8 gas engine and a new 4.5 V8 twin turbo diesel option outside of the United States. It is obvious that the diesel is designed to fit in the Tundra but it will need to pass US emissions testing for the new 2010 diesel air quality standards.
Also found some specs on an Irish Toyota site for the Land Cruiser w/ the D-4D turbodiesel engine. The LC weighs in at 5800 pounds with the diesel which could be comperable to a Tundra with more weight up front. The 0-62 mph time was 8.2 seconds for the LC D-4D. A little slow compared to 6.7 sec 0-60 of the 5.7 BUT...
Power and Milage for the LandCuriser w 4.5 D-4D...euro specs
479 ftlbs of torque
286 hp
Milage may not be exact! Not sure if gallons in Ireland = gallons US?
Combined mpg = 27.6 / city 23.5 / highway 30.9 NICE!
Maybe, but if truck sales continue their downward spiral I wouldn't hold your breath. The Tundra isn't selling that well right now at all. Pretty sure that a Duramax is a $5000 option on GM trucks so Toyota will probabley charge the same or more.
I just read an article stating that Canada might get a diesel Landcruiser and it get 22.4 US gallons combined mpg.
Going off of their pricing that Landcruiser costs $10k more than one with the 5.7 V8 (US dollars) , you can buy a lot of gas with that.
If Toyota makes a 3/4 ton diesel the MSRP would put it in a limited category. Plus cracking the 1/2 market is hard enough, now were talking going against the Duramax, Cummins and Powerstroke diesels, all proven commedities and probabley cheaper.
Maybe, but if truck sales continue their downward spiral I wouldn't hold your breath. The Tundra isn't selling that well right now at all. Pretty sure that a Duramax is a $5000 option on GM trucks so Toyota will probabley charge the same or more.
I just read an article stating that Canada might get a diesel Landcruiser and it get 22.4 US gallons combined mpg.
Going off of their pricing that Landcruiser costs $10k more than one with the 5.7 V8 (US dollars) , you can buy a lot of gas with that.
If Toyota makes a 3/4 ton diesel the MSRP would put it in a limited category. Plus cracking the 1/2 market is hard enough, now were talking going against the Duramax, Cummins and Powerstroke diesels, all proven commedities and probabley cheaper.
Don't hold your breath.
I won't hold my breath for anything Toyota may or may not do. But the fact of the matter is that Toyota will have to compete with the rest of the truck builders in the 1/2 ton diesel market. They just invested alot of money in the new Texas plant and they will do what it takes to keep it running. In markets like Australia, diesel sales outstrip the gas motors and keep their value very well. Gas engined Hilux models are boat anchors on the sales floor over there. I think the same will happen here as the 1/2 ton diesels are on the market for awhile.
Also keep in mind that the pricing for the engine will not be $10,000 like the LC in Canada. Everything on the LC is too expensive and the buyer is a totally different person. They may be willing to spend the extra cash but most truck buyers will not. Toyota and all of the other manufacturers know this. I will guess the price will be two-three grand over the 5.7 option.
The 22.5 mpg average sounds like a real world number and it may only pay off with better milage if you tow alot. It is still considerably better than a 14 to 15 mpg average and will only look more attractive as fuel prices go up and biodiesel becomes more available. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out...
I will guess the price will be two-three grand over the 5.7 option.
The 22.5 mpg average sounds like a real world number and it may only pay off with better milage if you tow alot.
I really doubt the diesel option would be 2-3 grand. I hope you are right, but I doubt it.
22.5 mpg in a truck is pretty nice, but remember the price of diesel is quite a bit higher than regular gas. Lets say there are two comparable trucks, one with a 5.7 getting 16 mpg while a diesel gets 22.5. The price of gas is $4 per gallon while diesel is $5 per gallon.
At 15,000 miles per year the 5.7 would use 937.5 gallons of gas, costing $3750. Now the diesel would use only 667 gallons and would cost $3,335. A savings of $415. Thats not bad, but factor in the premium over the price of a gas motor it will take awhile to break even, unless you need a diesel.
I get 16.5 to 17 mpg in my Tundra, but I really don't tow anything. I agree with what you said about it paying off if you tow alot. But this narrows the market, I really doubt Toyota is going to try and crack this market, its really tough. Most people don't buy a 3/4 ton pick up with a diesel to drive to work and back (like I do with my 1/2 ton), they use it to work it. Usually I do not put the Tundra down, but it has not been a huge sales success, in fact sales are pretty bad.
Also the three trucks they are going against the Ram, F250, and Silverado 2500HD are pretty rock solid trucks, getting someone to switch to a Tundra especially after the 2007+s have had issues might be stretching it.
Three years ago I would have guessed this would happen, now I don't know
I really doubt the diesel option would be 2-3 grand. I hope you are right, but I doubt it.
22.5 mpg in a truck is pretty nice, but remember the price of diesel is quite a bit higher than regular gas. Lets say there are two comparable trucks, one with a 5.7 getting 16 mpg while a diesel gets 22.5. The price of gas is $4 per gallon while diesel is $5 per gallon.
Three years ago I would have guessed this would happen, now I don't know
Guessing the diesel option being 2-3 grand above the 5.7 engine. Does that work out to about 5 g's over the V6? Maybe it is wishful thinking...?
I also did some numbers based on a $1 dollar difference in diesel and gas. If the difference is 7mpg bettween the two at $4 gas and $5 diesel then you need to keep the truck for 100,000 miles to save $3980. If the price goes to $9 and $10 per gallon you save $14,490 at 100,000 miles. That is also assuming diesel and gas will stay one dollar apart. Prices will continue to go up long term based on what we know about world demand and access to cheap oil.
The future of fuel and it's sources will also be a big factor on prices. I think biodiesel will be the big player based on current technology and what is being developed. Fewer gallons of diesel need to be produced to get the same job done. At 100,000 miles the gas Tundra uses 6670 gallons at 15 mpg and diesel at 22 mpg uses 4,540 gallons. Fewer stops at the pump and increased range are also an added bonus. Resale also appears to be in favor of diesel vehicles. Especially ones that get better milage than the gas versions.
I could be wrong but I think the 1/2 ton diesel market will be huge. The big boy trucks will go back to being in the realm of commercial use and people will downsize the tow toys and campers to fit the tow ratings of the 1/2 tons. You can do alot with a 10,000 + pound tow rating.
Guess we will just have to be patient and see what happens. :popcorn:
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For now, and many years, anyways.
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, you can buy a lot of gas with that.
But the fact of the matter is that Toyota will have to compete with the rest of the truck builders in the 1/2 ton diesel market. They just invested alot of money in the new Texas plant and they will do what it takes to keep it running. In markets like Australia, diesel sales outstrip the gas motors and keep their value very well. Gas engined Hilux models are boat anchors on the sales floor over there. I think the same will happen here as the 1/2 ton diesels are on the market for awhile.
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