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am i wrong? if you have absolutely nothing to do, please read it, cause i wanna know if i'm wrong or if he's being a dickhead (honestly, i think this dispute was very stupid, my friend is now very pissed off at me) this was an icq dialog between me and my friend. when you read, there are a few things that won't make sense to you guys, just don't mind them. ALL OVER BUYING AN AE86:
f**k...i dont' want engine to blow on me. f**king toyota. i've had 4 hondas and never worried about that or have problems like that. all cars had original head gaskets too! have many friends with old hondas sitll with original head gaskets and no blowing engines.
me- xept kelvin's CTR with ITR engine..
yeah, cuz he suped it up. you blew stock old toyota engines
me- he blew brand new gen honda engines..... my friend also blew stock ITR engine, my other friend also blew ITR engine.. hummm.....
look at thow they drive. tell me you've heard of other 1.6L n/a 4-cylinder engines blowing up so often. with engines desgined for high revving, people go overboard. forced induction or crazy ass downshifting into redline...
me- the point is, they drive pretty much the same as me, you were saying HONDA engines in general do not blow up, you don't have to be THAT specific about displacement.... what other 1.6 honda vehicle do you have besides your dad's civic?!?!?!
bahahahahahhah
me- i would still need you to PROVE ME WRONG.. but i do believe honda is better... but you gotta prove it to me
well, if you believe honda is better you just want ppl to have the right reasons. even if i did have the wrong reasons, you know the truth anyway. disporving a guy that's not knowledgeable does not chnge the ultimate fact. for example, 2x2=4. if a guy who does not know any math and is incapacitated recites "2x2=4"...does it matter that he is only saying that because someone told him? if i yell at him and say, "so how did you get to 4?....and he says, "I don't know". what difference does that make? it DOES NOT change the fact, and if you know the truth, then it is your task to tell other people they are wrong. the "truth" is in fact wrong as well as their methodology. but here, you even believed that honda engines are better. so, why does it make a diff whether or not someone knows why. the truth is the truth, and anyway the majority are ppl like me who take the info in from real life, friends, family, etc...also, you may enjoy movies that have unpredictible endings. maybe even movie critics. but the majority of movies have predictible endings with twists in the middle. the twists in the middle gain praise for making a movie exciting and not predictible. while the nice ending makes it even MORE exciting that the person in the movie BEAT the negative change in events. a movie will SUCK if it goes up, and then down all of a sudden. oooohhh..so much for unpredictibility. up and down. i prefer to have it go up and down and up and down and then BAM...good ending. makes the movie more enjoyable when tom cruise defeated the near death expereinces that i didn't expect to see. seeing a movie that just begins and ends with a non-linear curve of events is not exciting and enjoyable. i will give credit for unpredictibility, but the bottom line is that ppl will not like it and will not see it again. the climax should not be at the end. and yes, then end is the climax since that's the only point people are awed
me- yes.. the climax is what i enjoy to reach with a gurl as well.. hahahahha. and 2 plus 2 is 4
so even if you say you don't know why 2 plus 2 is 4, it will not matter, because i know the truth that 2 plus 2 is 4. i will give respect to someone who knows WHY it is, but again, the truth is what ultimately matters....even if i don't like it. sure, toyotas are good. i know that and you know that. so are hondas. anyway, it's not like i'm obsessed with honda and have something to gain from it. i'm not like ken lai subar 10/10. no point in arguing whats better. based on history and expereinces, i can believe what i believe and you can believe what you believe. doesn't make a diff to me
me- but when you said honda's don't have hg problems.. you sound like you are 'PURE FOR HONDA' that's what instigated the dispute.. (and i was thinking, if you think toyota is inferior, wtf are you thinking of buying toyota?)
because there is no alternative rwd car. can you think of one? if there is rwd honda, i'll buy it, but there isn't. so there. is that a good enough reason for you? i'm not buying a car for 10yr engine reliability, i want to buy a decent car with rwd. but i don't want the f**king engine to blow up in a week. that's my point. that's why i'm hesitating. it deson't have to be toyota or hinda...i do not want to buy a car with a short engine life ...like 2 weeks. i still can't think of comparable car to the ae86
me- there is rwd honda.. 2 of them currently. s13, fc3s, sa22r, s12, hum.. what else??
no point in bringing in cars that are not 16yr old for $1000. you are straying away from your point. is there an old rwd cheapass car comparable to an ae86. that's my question?? IS THERE? S2000? nsx? SURE! anyway, if you don't want me to buy the ae86, you can have it. you can do whatever the shizznat you want with it. buy it, sell your car for $4000 and supercharge or whatever....
me- s13's are cheap.. you didn't realise?? this is just a break, hardly and rarely will you ever find a cheaper ae86 in that condition. ususally they are going around for 2gs... like mine.. and that's why i'm putting all those other cars in perspective
fine buy it mr.toyota. buy it. next time i will tell you right away if i find ae86 and you can go buy it right away and not tell you toyta nation buddies. anyway, i dpn't want to be "buying your cars" or learn how to drift because if i do it better or i find a nice ae86, you're going to get pissed because i hate toytas blah blah blah and the only reason you think i like ae86 and drifting now is because of sam lee. so buy it and i will stay away from ae86. and i will practice drifting on my own.... so my task now is to find a rwd $1000 honda. i don't want to always hear you say, "take good care of the ae86 or i kick your ass". it's like it's your car or you have a right to it because you have been die-hard fan and i'm just a f**king honda boy who just got into the scene and learned about initial D and sh*t
me- you're missing the goddamn point.. i told you, if you don't apprcieate the car i adore, i would definatley hate you guts for f**king sure. that is why i THOUGHT you were very in supportive of how much more superior the mighty honda is, why the f**k do you need a toyota?????????????
i just have a feeling that you don't want me to have ae86 because i don't respect it as much as you
me- man... you know me from the beginnning.. you know how i like it.. i just don't like to see it get trashed.. aw wahtever.. buy it, f**k it up, and i'll just look to the side and cry..
and that i supposedly "learned" from you that it was a good car. SO GO BUY IT. BUY ALL OF THEM. go buy it. you can have it. go buy 5 of them for all i care
me- i'm seriously telling you to take advantage of this offer.. it only comes by every once in a long while... ae86's are not NECCESAARYLY CHEAP now... cause of initial D,..... if you're looking for a decent ae86, for the same price on the markte, you can find an s13
then i'll buy s13 and save ae86 for you. at least i can say that i liked 240sx and i respected them maybe long b4 you did. in my rx7 days. frankly i don't give a sh*t if you bought a fc3s. i wouldn't be jealous or tell you to take care of it. it's your car, your money, and if you have fun with it i don't care if you respect it or not
me- f**k fine, if you don't want it, leave it.... i'm NOT telling you to stay away, i just got pissed off with honda comments
so i don't care if you know JDM engine codes and specs and s14 and s15. as a canadian boy, i learned CDM 240sx...and that's all i know.
me- i dunno.. i htink i'm crazy over ae86,,,, i dun think you'll ever have the same passion for any car like i do with ae86
then buy it. i have a similar passion for fc3s. maybe i buy those.
me- what else do you know.... do i force you to learn chassis codes?
me- the point is, untill you be like me with a particular car, you'll prolly feel the same way i do.. that's why i insist you be careful with the car.. i just love it so much!
i'm just saying that because you think you know SO MUCH about 240sx and so i shouldn't buy those because i don't respect them as much. i'm just a novice. i don't want to ever find a car to have someone else think i shouldn't have it because they know more about it than me or at least have a longer history with it. you like ae86 as of a few yrs ago. i like it as of a few months ago. it just makes you feel bad that you triggered it. now, i think like you and want one... one less for sam....
me- okay.. heres the deal... ae86 is ultra rare, you already know that.... finding a decent one is like winning a lottery, espcially if it's cheap.. on the other hand, i have passion for 240sx, but the fact that i don't get so excited when i see one is, they are still widely availalbe.. but maybe down the road, they would become scarce and i would feel the same way about them as i do with ae86, do you konw what i mean?
yes i do. but just remember that not all ppl buying 240sx are as knowledgeable as you and respect it as much. no point in getting your underwear in a knot because ppl don't have the PASSION like you do. i still see assholes buying autmatic porsches
me- ar f**k you.. you want it, you have it.. i've already explained why. IT'S RARE goddamnit!!! won't you feel bad if somebody had something you really like and they take it for granted?!?!? but i know you'll treat the ae86 well.. i just don't want to see it getting smashed....that's why when you see auto porsches, you'll be like 'aw jeez' right?! just the same feeling damn it...
who's taking it for granted? where's your reasoning? just becuz i'm not obsessed like you?? if you want it, you can have it. it's not worth my trouble anymore
me- don't NOT buy it becuase you're angry at me.... i'm telling my views.. am i stopping you?
me- the point is, you wanna buy a cheap rwd car, buy it! the reason why i was pissed was the honda/toyota comment.. that's over with.. and why i like the ae86 so much, i just told you..
i've lost my appetite for it now. i've been soured on it
me- explain
this fun expereince and discovery is not fun anymore. i don't need something hanging over my head. ohh gotta love it...gotta respect it. oh sh*t, sam likes the car more than i do i feel bad for owning it...it's not worth it. i'll prolly buy something i HAVE A RIGHT to own. 13b fc3s. at least i knew those codes before you had to recite it to me.i'm still looking. as far as i'm concerned, buy a 2nd car is still a possiblity. but, i plan to do it myself and surprise you. so again, i think honda engines are better. and there's no surprise that honda is still the #1 manufacturer in engines worldwide. but there is no reasonable cheap alternative to ae86...
me- this is why we can't start a business, i can't stand these kinda arguements. if you don't wanna do something you were pursuing just because you hate my guts, fine, i don't care what you do. you pay for your sh*t, you can do whatever the f**k you want with it. I can't care less.. thank you, and i'll keep my views to myself and not try to piss you off. i now realise i was wrong, i shouldn't let emotions get in the way.. you are absolutely right, it's your money and i don't own you, you can do whatever your heart takes you. you found it and you should have the upper hand to the deal not me, i just told you i also want it as well.. you didn't say you were looking at an ae86 FOR ME, you wanted to look for an ae86 for yourself and i should be fine with dat, cause i don't have a say to everyone that wants to buy ae86 or tell anybody that owns one what they can and cannot do. that's all i can say, the dispute was pointless cause i was pretty much telling you what you can't do to something that i love. but really, it's your choice, it's up to you, not me.. sorry, hope you understand
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