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Old 10-25-2004, 10:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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22re Timing chain guides

I was just wondering does the 22re engine come from the factory with plastic guides or are they steel? Because my 96 pickup with only 56,000 miles is already showing signs of a broken guide. Is there anyway to check for the broken guide other than the clacking at cold startup and low oil presure.
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You can take the valve cover off and if it is broken off towards the top you might be able to see it with a good flash light... I actually have one of those "dentist" mirrors (you know tiny mirror on a stick)... that helps also....

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Old 10-26-2004, 02:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 22re Timing chain guides

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Originally posted by Jamerson84
I was just wondering does the 22re engine come from the factory with plastic guides or are they steel? Because my 96 pickup with only 56,000 miles is already showing signs of a broken guide. Is there anyway to check for the broken guide other than the clacking at cold startup and low oil presure.
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my cousins 1995 22re has plastic guides. hope that helps.
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The early 1981-82 Toyota 22R series of engines had double row timing chains with metal backed guides which were extremely tough the name of the game with engine and car manufacturers is to make an engine and car or fuel efficient/emission compliant and lighter hence as the years went on Toyota 22R series engines switched to single row timing chains and black/brown nylon/plastic backed timing chain guides/dampeners.

The guides are not the culprit but other factors like lots of city miles causing you to start your car many times a day which takes seconds for the oil pressure to build up in your engine as your timing chain tensioner is hydraulically driven so try using a genuine Toyota oil filter which has an anti-drain back valve there are lots of aftermarket oil filters that have an anti-drain back valve.

Most engine wear on any engine occurs at startup with that said the R series Toyota engines such as the 18R,20R and 22R all use a timing chain which it's tension is supplied by hydraulically driven timing chain tensioner which has it's oil pressure build up few seconds after the engine has started therefore the timing chain rubs on the driver's side brown colored nylon/plastic timing chain dampener or guide and after so many miles (140-170 000 miles in the city with the average 4 starts per day) the driver's side guide breaks through causing the chain to rub on the timing chain cover for the first few seconds upon startup and when driving in 5th gear and letting off the gas.

Usually by this point the other timing components such as the camshaft sprocket,crankshaft sprocket and chain have their specs out of tolerance and hence must be replaced as well.The tensioner sometimes sticks due to dirt build up and other problems arise as well and must be replaced as well,all of those parts are sold in the aftermarket world as a "timing chain kit" which also include gaskets and a front oil crankshaft seal.Toyota on the other hand for some reason does not sell the parts as a kit but as individual parts which would cost around $400+ and from all of the reading I have done on many Toyota 4-Runner/pickup discussion sites I have come to the conclusion that many experienced off-roaders who cannot afford to buy all of the genuine Toyota timing parts instead buy the chain and tensioner from Toyota and the other parts from aftermarket as a kit but of course don't use the aftermarket chain or tensioner.
The best brand of aftermarket timing chain parts to use on the 20R & 22R series Toyota motors are:

http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotlicks.htm
http://www.22r.biz/
http://www.rpmrons.com/toyotatiming.html
http://www.npr-america.com/index.htm
http://www.autotoyotaparts.com/toyota-truck-parts.html
http://www.toyota-engine-parts.com/
http://www.europeanautomotive.com


and if you choose to buy from Toyota these places have the best prices in the USA & probably the whole world:

http://www.1sttoyotaparts.com/part_number.html (10% shipping)
http://www.toyotadiscountparts.com (free shipping with $100 & up)
http://www.Toyotaparts4U.com
http://www.toyotaofplano.com

Other ways to check timing chain wear are:

http://www.misterfixit.com/chanslop.htm

you can also remove the valve cover and take a flashlight and see if the driver's side timing chain dampener or guide wore through.

Finally these sites explain the timing chain replacement well:

http://yotarepair.com/22R%20timingchain.html
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ingChain.shtml
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/timingchain/

22R Series tech data sites:

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar119838.htm
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar400108.htm
http://www.toyotaperformance.com/4_cyl_tech.htm
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech.../toy_motor.html
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/parts/
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/...ect/Engine.html
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/engines2.html
http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotlicks.htm
http://www.bitwalla.com/cruisers/info/engines.html
http://www.off-road.com/tlc/faq/engine.html
http://www.jnc.farpost.com/toytech.html
http://www.buschtaxi.net/de/01info/motoren.html
http://www.landcruiser.hu/motorok.html

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Canada Great Info !

Sidney, what a comprehensive reply, u sure know your 22-REs. Did you know you can install a Supercharger on that sucker too.

http://209.250.27.45/m1webgear/Produ...spx?Class=1641
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Yes I did,thanks:

http://www.toyotaperformance.com/supercharged.htm

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Thanks for all the repleys they helped out alot. This is going to be my second time changing one of these chains but not the same car though.
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