Just curious if any of you fella's have heard of these units or seen anyone thats had one put in. An engineer i used to work with had one on his 87 4runner 4cly truck and saved he saved about 20% on his fuel with it. These units have been out for a few years now but the fella i know that had one installed made it himself. By the sounds of things they'd be worth while but it's hard to tell down the road what kind of damage( if at all) they would do to your motor.
The theory seem sound, regular gasoline engines are fully capable of running on pure hydrogen. The only modification needed is a dry carb, or fuel injectors capable of injecting gases instead of liquids and maybe a little engine tuning. There are many piston vehicles that run on hydrogen and the great part is the only emissions it gives off is Pure Distilled Water.
I'm personally a huge supporter of Hydrogen powered vehicles whether it be fuel cells or piston powered. The only thing needed is the infrastructure of hydrogen fill stations, otherwise hydrogen is very easy to make from water and if renewable resources like wind or solar energy is used to make it, it is virtually pollution free.
I saw a 500hp Shelby Colbra at a car show once that ran on pure hydrogen...it was pretty freakin sweet but it goes to show power wont drop if we make the switch to hydrogen.
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Interesting theory, but what controls the output of the HHO? It doesn't make much sense to just dump it in at a constant rate regardless of throttle position or engine load. Try one and post up your results, who knows, might work.
This sounds pretty interesting. I'd like to see the theory behind it.
From what the website says.
the added hydrogen + oxygen to the air intake makes the fuel burn faster so you get more complete combustion which is what gives you the better fuel efficiency
Practically zero chance this could work. Any power/mileage gains would be offset by the engine having to work harder turning the alternator.
I highly doubt that as the power it actually takes to run this unit is next to nil. The fact that the engineer i know that installed one saves almost 100kms per tank tells me it does work. The debate here is, is there any damage goning to be done to the motor in the long run and how does this thing account for an engine working harder or under cruise as it consistently add's the same amount of gas, essenually boosting octane. Most guys on here drop 300$ for an air intake that may put an extra 3 hp at the crank when this device claims 15% increase in mileage at the least.
It's using the gasoline engine to run the alternator to generate electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burning the hydrogen in the same engine to remake water. If this was 100% efficient, you'd still be out the power it took to cart the extra weight around. (If it were magically >100% efficient, we'd all have these perpetual motion machines doing everything for us...)
Now if you could generate the electricity with a big solar array or wind turbine, you might be ahead. Particularly if you could generate the stuff when you were parked. But compare the output of solar cells (or worse, wind turbines) to the power required to move a car. Then there's the issue of storage. Hydrogen, as the smallest molecule, leaks through everything. Even the metal walls of pipes. There will be challenges getting to that utopian hydrogen economy.
It's using the gasoline engine to run the alternator to generate electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burning the hydrogen in the same engine to remake water. If this was 100% efficient, you'd still be out the power it took to cart the extra weight around. (If it were magically >100% efficient, we'd all have these perpetual motion machines doing everything for us...)
Now if you could generate the electricity with a big solar array or wind turbine, you might be ahead. Particularly if you could generate the stuff when you were parked. But compare the output of solar cells (or worse, wind turbines) to the power required to move a car. Then there's the issue of storage. Hydrogen, as the smallest molecule, leaks through everything. Even the metal walls of pipes. There will be challenges getting to that utopian hydrogen economy.
You sir know your shit.
I've read that the best solution right now is to use a tank set up full of hydrides. This allows for a near doubling of capacity for storage. However it doesn't address the issue of the hydrogen "leaking" through the pours of the metal tank.
What we need is transparent aluminum to save the day! :p
Interesting.... For the sake of argument, I get around 18mpg... An additional 15% would be an extra 2.7mpg. Assuming I fill up around 18 gallons (normal for me), that's an extra 48.6 miles per tank....
So how long would this thing take to pay for itself assuming it works as claimed? (just wondering if it's even WORTH it IF it works....)
Also assuming the $347model (AL-30 good for 373 miles) would be the right one for our trucks.
I just can't do the math tonight!
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How much strain would this put on the alt anyway? It's connected to the battery so unless it drains the battery rapidly I can't see it affecting things more than headlights, fog lights, amps, etc. Certainly not as much as the 1000W amps some people put in their trucks, or 100W off road lights.
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How cool is this? Let's get one of those pure hydrogen engines and hook up our alternator and power one of these little bad boys to produce the hydrogen to feed the engine to produce the electricity to create the hydrogen to power the engine. Hell we don't even need the gasoline part anymore. Ok so maybe it's not powerful enough for a whole truck but maybe a skate board or we could make a really big one or we could just put a whole bunch together and use some of the "extra" electricity to power our homes. Cool. </sarcasm>
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Self contained oxy-hydrogen units/PRO or CON?
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