I Need Loyal Toyota Owners!

[yankeesoutherner12]

Hello, I actuially own a 97 Jeep TJ Wrangler but my family owns 2 other Toyotas, a 03 Tundra and an 86 (i believe) convertable celica. I made a comment on a Jeep forum that foregin cars are made better and last longer then domestic ones. Nearly the entire forum is jumping on me. I do not appreaciate beng called "un-american" and I need to "give your Jeep away to someone who appreacates it". I am asking for your help in proving that foregin cars are better then Jeeps. Statistcs, articles, anything you have that can be backed up with links and other information. Thanks!

[PR45]

You can post any info, stats, links to articles, personal stories and testimonials you want. You will not win.

I've been on a Ford site for a few years. For a while, everytime someone mentioned a Japanese brand, Pearl Harbor was brought up, along with the usual slurs etc. I asked one fellow where he served, forcing him to admit he got his prejudice second hand from uncles who had served.

These days, a lot of vehicles are designed in one place, gather components from several others, assemble another and sell yet another place. A Tacoma would be a reasonable example of that.

SOME foreign cars have solid advantages over SOME US brand cars, and vice versa.

The left over, out of date, poor quality days have soured many. Many baby boomers and gen-x'ers grew up with their parents cursing the Ford, Chev or Chrysler in the driveway. Many experienced their first stranding behind the wheel of a Ford with a TFI ignition. You'll not bring them back to the fold, especially to a brand like Jeep, which has had it's share of issues.

So find another hobby, you'll be happier.

[Dave's]

I grew up a Chevy man but my 1st new car was a Pinto 'cause there was no way I would buy a Vega and the wife wanted a small car. It was cheap and although I had to work on it, it was simple to repair. 11 years and 188k miles later I sold it and bought Japanese. Why? Because I couldn't find a Detroit built car I felt good about. But the advice you have is correct. Don't bother arguing. Just a waste of time and effort.

[MR2Jedi]

They're right. I don't care what say, even if you have the verifyable facts and stats, the argument will just go forever and they will mark you as a sell out.

[TrailDust]

Originally Posted by MR2Jedi

They're right. I don't care what say, even if you have the verifyable facts and stats, the argument will just go forever and they will mark you as a sell out.

I'll agree with that. This topic is as volatile as discussing politics or religion.

[yankeesoutherner12]

ahhh, its all good. Yea im figguring out that these people arent ones to look at logic or numbers. Ya just cant argue with a idiot. lol thanks for the advice.

[yankeesoutherner12]

Originally Posted by TrailDust

I'll agree with that. This topic is as volatile as discussing politics or religion.

I'd like to see your samauri if you have a second.

[MR2Jedi]

Originally Posted by yankeesoutherner12

. Yea im figguring out that these people arent ones to look at logic or numbers. Ya just cant argue with a idiot.

I hear ya, but they're not just there,they're everywhere!

[steviestyles]

This post is dumb. to the OP, no offense, but if you go into an argument or discussion and you can't back up your own assertions, then you shouldn't be throwing them out there. As others have said, this is a no win argument and there's no reason to go back to that forum to prove your point.

[04SR5]

Unfortunately, Toyota isn't what it used to be. They've got quality issues now just like everyone else. They've gotten high on their reputation of quality and they're in denial of the real issues that are plaguing there products...especially the electronic throttle issue...blaming it on floor mats because it's cheap and so they can pay the CEO of Toyota of America an outrageous bonus for saving the company money at our expense...bastards!

[08TRDOFFROAD]

Originally Posted by TrailDust

I'll agree with that. This topic is as volatile as discussing politics or religion.

I think it might be worse! At least there can be some sort of logic in a political arguement. Most brand arguments are the are nothing but the result of blind brand loyalty.

[olbus]

Don't know how many parts on jeeps are foreign made, but I'm guessing they are not totally domestic.
Lots of Toyotas are not foreign made. Tacomas for instance. The "Made in Japan" models tend to be high end. Mostly the difference between "Foreign" and "Domestic" is that you think you are buying that label. What is actually in the vehicle is usually more unknown in actual origin. Lots of parts coming from where they can get them cheap.

[magog45]

I'll look at this issue from a bit different perspective, I would say that all vehicles be they Domestic or Foreign are pretty much junk and have been for quite sometime. Consider your Fridge, how happy would you be if you had to replace it every 5 yrs or so like it seems we are doing with our vehicles. Now apply that paradigm to virtually any major appliance you buy, the average vehicle regardless of the manufacturer doesn't look too good. So long as we feel some sort of emotional attachement to an inanimate chuck of steel and plastic, the ad-men will continue to exploit our foolishness. I like my Tacoma but in many ways it isn't as good as my fullsize Jimmy which wasn't as nice as my 71 Chev pickup which couldn't hold a candle to my 68 Electra or 66 Chev Van. I remember riding in the first Honda Civic, I thought what a great idea and nice little car, a recent experience in a newer one, what a piece of junk. As time passes we look fondly on the experiences we had with vehicles in the past, but they all still rust and fall apart over time and as mentioned earlier many of the components come from the same supplier. What's to be ;oyal about in any of that.