Will a 22R & 5spd from a 85 Celica bolt into a 86 SR5??

[toyloco]

OK ok.. I know. But I have a Beat to Heck Celica and it has a Good Running 22R & 5sp. I want to drive my Corolla as it is in Better shape and....Well it is a Corolla what more can I Say??

I tried to research this but found nothing. I still have plans to go with the 4AGTE but I think I am just going to find a GT-S instead as there are less things to swap.

So has anyone heard if someone swapping in a 22R in a AE86? Will the motor mounts fit??

Sorry if this is a Dumb Question but I what to drive my car and I figured since the 22R was Carbureted and so was the 4A motor it would be easy to make run?

I have been told many parts from the AE86 and 82-85 Celicas will interchange but I didn't know if the Crossmembers were the same?

Thanks

[micro214_kp61]

just save you money for the GT-S!!!

[TuRD Polish]

Originally Posted by micro214_kp61

just save you money for the GT-S!!!

I found this thread, and this forum, looking for info on swapping 22Rs into AE86...and I keep seeing this response on boards all over the net. I'm having a hard time articulating my annoyance in a way that won't get me banned for my first post.
How about this:
The sentence that begins with "Save your money and...." will almost always ultimately end in "...and never finish your car." I've been in this game for half my life and this has proven true over and over again.
Motorsport requires you to spend money and work, not to save it. Rather than save for eons to get a needlessly expensive engine, establish your budget now and see what you can do with it. You'll be surprised what you can do if you put thought into it. Heck, go to the local junk yard with a tape measure, see what fits between your towers and under your hood.

Why I'm here: I just acquired an 87 DLX 5spd... for free. Guy didn't want to fix the clutch.
In addition to that, I've found a $500 wrecked Celica with a recently rebuilt motor.
So, for less that a weeks take home pay, I have enough stuff to not only MAKE a 2000lb car with a 22RE, but I also have an entire car to part out. I may even profit! I also get a spare set of wheels and a bigger radiator. The 22RE is only about 7hp down from the GT-S motor, but it MAKE its power ove much more of the rev range. That equals a faster car, period.
Not to mention it make phenomenal torque for an n/a 4cyl.

So, "Just get a GT-S" will be ignored.

The GT-S motor isn't even a great engine. It's too hard to find, or too expensive, and its output just sucks. If you're restoring a GT-S, you can't beat it. If you're trying to impress your friends, get a 20v. If you want to give your car real usable power, look elsewhere. You'll spend less and get a faster car in the end.
Don't beleive me? Ask history:

In 1985 Toysport raced a 22RE Toyota Celica GTS in the Macao Grand Prix. The original plan was to use an 18RG, but since the vehicle had US serial #'s (from Toyota Motorsport) we were forced to use the U.S. engine the 22RE! To the entertainment of the other Toyota Teams from Japan, we qualified at the last minute, in the last half of the grid. The other Celicas (with their Twin Cams) were all in the top 6 positions. At the finish the Toysport Celica placed 3rd- behind 2 BMW Motorsport prepared 6 cylinder BMWs!

Why did it finish well? You can make fast laps with your horsepower, no one is in front of you. When you have to pass people, you need torque, you need hp over more of the curve. The Twin cams didn't have it, the 22RE did.
The dyno graph curve of the GT-S motor looks like a skiers dream slope, and the torque is barely there. The 22RE makes a curve on the dyno, not a steep slope. On top of that, the bloody things will take 20lb of boost from the factory. You can get them carbed, EFI and turbocharged from the factory. You can buy entire vehicles containing all of your wiring for under a grand. This is a great swap.
To put it in perspective, look at this:
http://www.dastek.hr/hr/images/ToyotaAE86-Hp.gif
that engine "makes" 110hp at 6500rpm...great. But when you're driving along at 3000rpm and push the pedal down, how much power do you have? 44hp! When you mash the gas at 4500rpm, you only have 71hp... the 4AC makes 87hp at 4800! In terms of usable hp, you just don't have it.

Have a look at this graph from a 300,000 mile 22RE:
http://www.lcengineering.com/lc_images/Graph.jpg
Peak hp? Only about 90...but look at the curve. Now when you put the pedal down at 3000rpm, you have 65hp. At 4000 you have 85. Look at the torque! (note their "stroker" engine, it needs a T04 bad. lol)
If you put the two side-by side in a race, the 22RE car would win because it would constantly pulling in every gear, while the GT-S would shift as soon as it made its power, and get kicked back to making squat.
20v? even worse.

So, in summation: toyoloco, you had a good idea, but it doesn't look like anyone's done it. You said "but I what to drive my car", and grabbing an available powertrain to make it happen is the best way to do it. In terms of cost, power, and reliability, you've pick one of Toyota's best engines, certainly their best 4cyl. You posted it a year and a half ago, I'm curious as to what you went with?

By the way, Hi I'm Eric and I'm new to Corolla's but not to "performance motoring". How are you?