3S-GE into AE86???

[ACDFS]

Looking at buying a 3S-GE, and i wanted to know which gen 3S-GE would fit in the bay of my car.I have a 1987 Corrola SR5 AE86. Was wondering if anyone has done the swap themselves? Also if anyone know of 3S-GE swap notes or AE86 R&I engine notes, that would be awesome too.

[ariel_86]

another guy on here is doing something like that, but i personally suggest getting the turbo'd motor if you can. more power, better aftermarket support

since your swapping it into an AE85 (what SR5's chassis is in Japan), you'll need to run a return fuel line for the EFI'd motor, get a custom bellhousing for your T50, modified intake manifold, a lot of wiring, and get the ECU with the motor or go megasquirt (the 2 cheapest options for engine management). and that is just a short list. It's been done before, with great results, just look into it all as the motor mounts need to custom made, along deciding how to run the coolant lines to the rear of the motor as it sits in the engine bay against the firewall, not to mention pounding or cutting into the firewall to clear the coolant lines.

If you got the drive, patience, and pockets to do it, you won't be disappointed, but it is not a drop-in swap. not much really is when you start with an 85.

Oh, and as a suggestion, if you do go with the 3SGTE instead of just the 3SGE, look into getting the trans and rear end from (i believe) a mark III supra to throw under your car to handle the increase in power.

[REN69]

Any 3SGE/GTE will fit in the AE86, your problem will be getting a RWD transmission for it, aside from the one in the BEAMS Altezza, I don't recall any other cars with this particular motor and RWD transmission.

Getting the transmission alone will probably cost you some pretty $$$$$.

[Mr E]

Originally Posted by REN69

Any 3SGE/GTE will fit in the AE86, your problem will be getting a RWD transmission for it, aside from the one in the BEAMS Altezza, I don't recall any other cars with this particular motor and RWD transmission.

Getting the transmission alone will probably cost you some pretty $$$$$.

Didnt mike use a T50 in his Starlet?

[ariel_86]

T50 is in a lot of late 70's early 80'2 RWD toyotas, including the SR5 and AE86 corolla (different bellhousing on the sr5 tho). I'm pretty sure it came in all the RWD celicas, maybe even the celica supra too. there are bell housings that match the 3SGE/3SGTE and a T50 tranns

[REN69]

Originally Posted by Mr E

Didnt mike use a T50 in his Starlet?

yeah T50 plus a custom-made bellhousing he sourced out from the Philippines = $$$$

[micro214_kp61]

negative on the T50. i used the T50 with the 2nd Gen 20V ST swap before but i'm currently using a W58 on the 3S. also i wouldn't bother with the T50 on boosted motors or bigger diplacement motors with lots of torque. too weak for it. it's good for high revvs that's all. the T50 came in both the 20 and 22 splines. the 20s were from the early gen corollas and the 22 i believe came with the AE86 and has closer gears w/c is perfect for the 20V.

the problem is the RWD conversion kit not the tranny. there are lots of transmissions from celica/supra out there. the motor mounts has to be custom made whether you want your motor flat or slanted. if you want it flat then you have to get custom oil pan so you won't have oil starvation.

you also have to upgrade your fuel delivery system. plus convert your fuel tank like the ones for EFI. why, if you retain the original tank even with an external pump once your fuel go below half, when do a hard turn the motor will fuel starve. or you can create a fuel surge/slave tank to make sure there's always fuel on the line.

but if i were you.. i'll just buy a BEAMS 3SGE from Altezza and be done with it. 6 speed to boot!


REN/Mr.E.. you have to check out this summer, there's mean Starlet coming out to meets near you. it'll put my car to shame, hahaha.

[bigae86fan]

i too am looking at swapping in a engine into an sr5, and figured this would be a good place/time to ask. the 3sgte swap is prob more expensive/complex than i can do right now, but how is the silvertop swap? i heard its pretty common, and i know that its fairly simple for a gts, but how bad is it for a sr5? am i correct in thinking its more just swapping fuel system from the gts to make it work? oh and if there is a writeup on sr5 silvertop swap that would work too thanks

[micro214_kp61]

Originally Posted by bigae86fan

i too am looking at swapping in a engine into an sr5, and figured this would be a good place/time to ask. the 3sgte swap is prob more expensive/complex than i can do right now, but how is the silvertop swap? i heard its pretty common, and i know that its fairly simple for a gts, but how bad is it for a sr5? am i correct in thinking its more just swapping fuel system from the gts to make it work? oh and if there is a writeup on sr5 silvertop swap that would work too thanks

the silvertop is a little easier but you need to a least pound the firewall for the dizzy. some also re-route their waterline around the intake side but most of them have heating issues. you'll also need a T50 tranny from a GT-S. and get a custom harness (pm kpsxtyone, he can make you those for a price of course). also make sure the AFM and the dizzy is not broken when your buying the motor. it's a bitch to find replacements for 'em.

[harisvirani]

i have a celica 1982 and i have swaped it with a 3rd gen 3sge with a w58 gear box which is a direct fit, u'll need to get your firewall cut and remade as the dizzy is at the back.

if you mount the engine straight then u'll need to get the oil sump changed to a 2s and the pick up line as well. custom mounts will be needed and with that the oil pump will need to be replaced with that of a 3sfe coz the return valve is in the alloy sump of 3sge. and there might be height proble as well for which the intake mainfold will be need to be altered.

so a better option will be to mount the engine slanted and get off from a couple of headaches.
here is a write up with pics of the conversion i did.

http://harisvirani.blogspot.com/2011/03/project.html

[corolla_nut_83]

I have a friend that has swapped a few 20v's into and ae86. He has done them both ways, i.e. shimming the motor mounts and pounding out the firewall.