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Old 02-10-2009, 06:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wondering if i should get this car?

http://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/1020604566.html

he lives like 5min. away from my house, close to the junior college that i go to.

he has sended me this info on emial

"i do still have it and i am willing to go down on the price to 600 the car is over on blue gum right now so we could meet up sometime if you would like so you can test drive it i think the brake pads might need changing but other than that just leaks alittle it is an automatic ill send some more pics

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...t=100_0001.jpg
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" i believe its trans fluid it asnt been to much of a problem i check it and put fluid in it as needed . to register it i will give you a bill of sale its a form you get off the dmv website. the car as 203,xxx "

any ideas?

cause i really like the offer he's giving,lol.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Rusty ones go for over $2000 up here. I'd go for it if you can do the required work.
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yeah, the carb part my dad know more on that then i do. there's like 5 or more shops around where i live mostly like 3min. away.

the registration part is where i'm worried. but i'll see if i can do the needed requirements.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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well, at least it looks to be a pretty clean body. but what are your plans for the car? convert it to a GTS with a 5spd, rear discs, and a DOHC EFI motor? some of these parts are getting harder to come by, so consider what your willing to put into the car before you jump on it, IMHO.
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Rusty ones go for over $2000 up here. I'd go for it if you can do the required work.
2000 for a rusty SR5?? what part of the woods are you in, 700 sounds about right, 2000 would only be right of it was next to no rust

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yeah, i want to test drive it, the problem is that is registration comment changed.

"the car is not in my name i never put it in my name so i cannot apply for a dup at the dmv i do have an old pink slip but it is in the orignal owners name and that will come with the car you should have no problem registering the car with all that paper work "

if you remember he says he doesn't have it, but now he says he does, i asked if he could at least apply for a duplicate since he didn't have the registration papers.that i would pay extra for his expenses.then he sent me the reply from above.

but since he has the old slip, i guess it's ok, you guy still think it's good?

was thinking of 4age swap but then read 20v is better cause get more for the cost...the problem was reading about that a gts conversion is needed.

but yeah, it was just to learn how the rwd platform handles, cause i was raised on fwd.hopefully not much of a difference.

but yeah if all goes well, i'll soon see this in our driveway,lol.
edit: and right now i was advice about, that since it's still in the old owners name, that there will be fees for me to pay...and it's hasn't been registered since 07' like 2years of fees,lol. how much you think the fees will be once i register it.
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Hey, in the first picture of the engine, what's the thing that I circled? http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...0001circle.jpg
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Old 02-15-2009, 03:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That is called the AS (Air Suction) valve. Air is drawn thought the air filter and air suction valve into the catalytic converter to burn HC and CO.. It is an emission control device.

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Old 02-18-2009, 08:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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FWD and RWD are so not the same. especially in slick weather. your inputs need to be much smoother and controlled for you to avoid accidents when the car starts to wander or step out. I was raised on FWD too, but I learned on a 5-spd so I had some idea how to play with the clutch too.

as for fees, i dunno about them. does this guy have anything like a bill of sale from the "original" owner to him? *IF* you get it, get all the paper work, I mean ALL the paperwork, related to this car. I bought a parts car a while ago, a wrecked nissan 240 (had been t-boned, but the rear was still good so I was able to get the parts i needed) but the kid I bought it from never had a title. he bought it from a friend after the wreck for the engine and trans. what I did, instead of cutting the car in half and selling the halves for scrap, was get a bill of sale from the kid I bought it from, took a shitload of pics of the car to document the condition, got a form from the DMV to petition for a new title in my name, and got a letter from a bank that used to hold a lein on the car. With all of that, and a fee I don't remember how much, I was able to get a title within a week of submitting the paperwork.
It took about 2 weeks of legwork, but I was able to get a legal title, in MY name, so I could sell the whole car for scrap. Check with your local DMV about this, how much it costs, what they require for a new title to be issued to you, and an idea of how much taxes and registration fees might cost. Bring the cars VIN with you when you check it out. waiting in line at the DMV is about the only place you'll probably get the correct answers to these questions.

and the 20V is version of the 4AGE, the DOHC motor that came in the corolla GTS and FX16.
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and the 20V is version of the 4AGE, the DOHC motor that came in the corolla GTS and FX16.
theyre both DOHC except the Northamerican 4age never came with 20V's, only 16
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theyre both DOHC except the Northamerican 4age never came with 20V's, only 16
quite true. the north american market never saw the 20V variant of the 4AGE, and only saw one version of the supercharged 4AGZE.

this is a quick and dirty summary of the different versions of the 4AGE that are available.

largeport - came with TVIS (Toyota Variable Induction System) and found in the AE86 corolla GTS, AW11 MR2, and FX16 Corollas. Also in the first few years of the AE92 Corolla GTS (FWD successor to the AE86)

4AGZE - "Z" for supercharged, only available in the supercharged AW11 MR2s. the only supercharged 4A we got

smallport - no TVIS, came in later AE92 corolla GTS. Last version offered in North America

smallport 4AGZE - a supercharged version of the smallport 4AGE that was offered in the AE92 corolla (and levins) in japan. Only came in FWD cars

silvertop 20V - found in the early '90s corolla and levin sports cars in japan. featured 5 valves per cylinder (2 intake 3 exhaust), and individual throttle bodies.

blacktop 20V - found in the corolla and levin BZ-R models in the mid '90s in japan. similar to the silvertop except that toyota added VVT-L, Variable Valve Train Lift (is that correct?).

Also, the smallport 4AGE in japan is MAP sensored vs MAF sensored, which is considered better for tuning.

I know this isn't all the details, and it may not even be entirely correct, but this is the basic rundown on the different versions of the 4AGE. the all share the "4A-GE" engine code, except the superchaged motors that have the "Z" in them, which is toyota's code for "supercharged"
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silvertop 20V - found in the early '90s corolla and levin sports cars in japan. featured 5 valves per cylinder (2 intake 3 exhaust), and individual throttle bodies.

blacktop 20V - found in the corolla and levin BZ-R models in the mid '90s in japan. similar to the silvertop except that toyota added VVT-L, Variable Valve Train Lift (is that correct?).
The 20V's had 3intake and 2 exhaust but im sure you just typed it in wrong, also the silver top has way better rods than the blacktop,if you wanna go turbo the blacktop rodas are very weak, but they are very light so theryre good for making tons of RPM, im pretty sure the blacktop just had regular VVT
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2000 is way too much for a rusty sr5 with 200xxx miles on it. those motors are horrible and you dont have very much of a head start if you want to drop a 20v in. The motors are from japan so you have to find one or ship one in, then if you get a silvertop ecu you have to run an afm (meaning you dont get to see the nice ITB's.) If you want to run a full open intake you have to run a blacktop ecu or go for an aftermarket ecu like megasquirt or haltech. Then, since your starting from a carb'd motor your going to have to get a gts fuel tank and sending unit or else your motor wont get fuel. O, not to mention the motor fits as far as mounts are concerned but when it comes to the waterlines and dizzy cap the motor hits the firewall. You could always just bang the wall in and make your own kit from autozone or something or you could drop around 600 for a waterline kit and 400 for a dizzy relocation kit. O, say you do end up getting a silvertop because you like the stronger rods and they're easier to come by and then want to run the silvertop ecu. Well, then you need to plan on getting your intake box modified because the intake hole will face the firewall and when it comes time to toss on the afm and filter your not going to have enough space in the engine bay (so you need to cut a hole on the other side of the plenum and weld on a new flange.) Now, if you still want to do this then you're probably going to want to consider getting a 5spd because your going to need a new bellhousing anyway (on an sr5 the clutch fork is on the opposite side than a gts' clutch fork is.) Then, when you actually get it driving make sure you're careful or else the rearend your using is going to give out (because the sr5 is using a weaker open diff). Now, you could swap in the whole rear end from a gts which has the much more desireable lsd but when you start looking for one you might want to consider saving up before hand because by themselves they usually run around 600 for a decent one. but hey atleast you get the better disk brakes in the back instead of the drums your sr5 has. but hey, if you do end up getting it then congrats and have fun. Im in the middle of my swap now and have had a blast working on it. The cars are extremly easy to fall in love with.
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o... and both the silver and black top have vvt (variable valve timing). dont get this confused with vvt-i (variable valve timing- intelligent) or vvtL-i (variable valve timing, lift- intelligent.) VVt is always on and controlled through an actuator and a cam gear (look at the two on the front of the motor, the right one usually doesnt have any holes in it.)
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