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Old 06-08-2009, 11:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Calling all 8th gen Owners for help

hello all. this is my cry for help. I'm in socal area where it is polluted with civics and their b series motor. im not a hater for i have a ek in my driveway as well but my first and primary car is the beloved zze110. i know this question has been posted before and it created quite a bit of heat but im asking again for any modification known to have increased performance (tested and proven). i'm looking for fuel injectors, upgrades spark plugs, intake, exhaust, ecu, etc. i've done mild research but i still have no direction. so far what makes sense is the k&n drop in filter and... thats it. every post so far, there has been strong counter agruments for exhaust and etc but it seems like the k&n drop in is going to be 8th gen accepted. i don't want to spank supras or anything like that. i just want to hold my ground when im confronted with a b16 or b18. civics have it too easy. seems like the toyota gods have damned the 8th gen to a life of mediocracy. i dont a big budget becuase i work part time but im young so i have a lot of time to invest. any help would be appreciated.

and also im a big fan of TRD but cant find any TRD items besides the strut. found this site http://www.toysport.com/catalog/part...00%20parts.htm but cant find anything
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...seems like the toyota gods have damned the 8th gen to a life of mediocracy...
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I got one of these.

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.p..._id=1260198051

Underdog Racing primarily specializes in performance equipment for Toyota trucks, but I know the guy who owns the company and set me up with one of these MAF calibrator as well as a custom wiring harness. It piggy-backs on the ECU.

Now my 'Rolla ('02 with VVT-i) has an automatic tranny, so it will never win a drag race, but it still accelerates much better and shifts more smoothly at highway speeds. I've cruised at a steady 90mph (not that I recommend that ) and have had it up to 100mph in short bursts.

This MAF calibrator may not be as glamorous as a turbo or some other bolt-on that you can see or show off to your friends, but it definitely made a difference in mine. You should expect to pay about $150 for the wiring harness in addition to the MAF box.
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i just want to hold my ground when im confronted with a b16 or b18. civics have it too easy. seems like the toyota gods have damned the 8th gen to a life of mediocracy. i dont a big budget becuase i work part time but im young so i have a lot of time to invest. any help would be appreciated.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening at all. The 1ZZ-FE engine was built for economy (designated by the "FE" head) not performance and doesn't respond to those modifications as well as the DOHC VTEC versions of the B-Series motors. Aftermarket support is also weak.

If you want your Corolla to "hold it's own" then look into getting a 2ZZ-GE swap out of a Celica GT-S/Matrix XRS or Corolla XRS paired with the 6-speed manual transmission. Bolt-ons for this platform are pretty futile and lackluster at best if you retain the stock motor.

Modifying a Corolla on a small budget is near impossible unlike Honda owners.


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and also im a big fan of TRD but cant find any TRD items besides the strut. found this site http://www.toysport.com/catalog/part...00%20parts.htm but cant find anything
TRD used to sell quite a bit of stuff for the 8th Corolla, but almost all of those parts have been discontinued now so they're hard to come by.
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If you are looking for tangible and significant power gains - typical bolt-ons will not get you there with the 1ZZ-FE. You have to look to forced induction (turbo, supercharger) or nitrous injection or previously mentioned engine swap. That or be prepared to spend a small fortune in building up an all-motor engine. If you have the means and the time - big power is available to the 1ZZ-FE crowd.

There is no apples-apples comparision between the B-series and the 1ZZ-FE - two totally different techs. Since the B-series have multiple camshaft profiles, the 1ZZ-FE has variable valve timing (assuming 2000+ model year Corolla). Cams will have a bigger influence on power than VVT tech - couple that with a strong aftermarket base - is it not even a contest. But you have say, $5K laying around - you can go all-motor on the 1ZZ-FE (cams, overbore, pistons, rods, valve work, redesign intake/exhaust, larger TB, EMS, tune, etc.) - you could see 180WHP. Spend a little more and go the turbocharged route with a good tune - 200HP is possible.
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modifying you Corolla is going to have the same HP as a Honda civic b-series. LOL
seen fully built b-series dyno. 193whp. and that was one thos EG(g)s.

but we have HARDER to find/custom made parts.
ha, all good to me. Same thing if modified your minivan. Still minivan =) LMAO!

only reason i put money inot mine is because Toyota, awsome MPG, and not honda.
Got tired of seeing them all the time. This was something different and harder to modify
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well here's what i say; if you want performance there's only TWO options

Option 1: 2ZZ-GE engine & 6spd & ECU- who wouldnt love a little LIFT in the morning? but these kinds of swaps are very pricey and requires such things as converting to 5 lug and stiffer suspension New wheels/tires etc.

Option 2 Blacktop 4AGE and 6spd & ecu- Factory ITB's first 5valve head on a 4banger and good aftermarket support. only problem here that i can think of is that mounts would have to be changed to A engine motor mounts and probably a ton of other stuff
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Option 3: 3S-GTE... turbocharged goodness. Plenty of aftermarket support. Successful swaps have been completed before.
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I got one of these.

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.p..._id=1260198051

Underdog Racing primarily specializes in performance equipment for Toyota trucks, but I know the guy who owns the company and set me up with one of these MAF calibrator as well as a custom wiring harness. It piggy-backs on the ECU.

Now my 'Rolla ('02 with VVT-i) has an automatic tranny, so it will never win a drag race, but it still accelerates much better and shifts more smoothly at highway speeds. I've cruised at a steady 90mph (not that I recommend that ) and have had it up to 100mph in short bursts.

This MAF calibrator may not be as glamorous as a turbo or some other bolt-on that you can see or show off to your friends, but it definitely made a difference in mine. You should expect to pay about $150 for the wiring harness in addition to the MAF box.

By "much better acceleraton" would you say 2-3hp, or more significant like 5-7hp? Have you dino'd for hp gains or ran 1/4 times to know the difference specifically?
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Option 4

Buy a new car...


Not bursting your buble...

AND

for now i wait for the 7mgte custom swap...someday....

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By "much better acceleraton" would you say 2-3hp, or more significant like 5-7hp? Have you dino'd for hp gains or ran 1/4 times to know the difference specifically?
None of the above.

I can just feel it in my Butt-o-meter. I'll get it dyno'd one of these days.
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So just to clear things up you dont think it gained at least 2hp?

If not I just dont know that I'd want to pay $400+s&h if I couldnt be able to say it feels like it could have gained at least 2hp since I doubt you'd be able to even feel a difference with that little of a gain. With a term used like "much better acceleration" that would go along better with more like 5-7hp but I dont know if you'd be able to feel hardly any difference with 5hp either. Be interesting to see a dino concerning that mod. A 5-7hp gain for a little over $400 wouldnt be bad but I dont see that much gain coming from a maf mod. I know I could always be wrong though.
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So just to clear things up you dont think it gained at least 2hp?

If not I just dont know that I'd want to pay $400+s&h if I couldnt be able to say it feels like it could have gained at least 2hp since I doubt you'd be able to even feel a difference with that little of a gain. With a term used like "much better acceleration" that would go along better with more like 5-7hp but I dont know if you'd be able to feel hardly any difference with 5hp either. Be interesting to see a dino concerning that mod. A 5-7hp gain for a little over $400 wouldnt be bad but I dont see that much gain coming from a maf mod. I know I could always be wrong though.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know how much I gained. But I know it feels faster. When I get it dyno'd I'll let you know.
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Option 4

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Not bursting your buble...
That actually might be the best option, most people keep their Corollas for use as a reliable commuter car and modify something else that's better suited to going fast.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't know how much I gained. But I know it feels faster. When I get it dyno'd I'll let you know.
I can relate. I definitely feel a slight improvement during the winter. I have no way of knowing but I'd guess its no more than 5hp tops.
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