Straight answers to 8th gen turbo/supercharge

[joe19870129]

So i've been reading in the forums on an off for about 6 months trying to figure out which option is better for my 2000 corolla and if there are anything avaliable on the market now.

let me sum up some questions and answers (and please correct me if i'm wrong):

1. there are turbo kits for 1zz-fe engines but none of them are really suitable for the 8th gen corolla. (not without major body modification becasue most of them are for celica)

2. there is a shop that's developing supercharger for 1zz-fe engine and suitable for 8th gen. but due to some issues they are not avaliable still (and maybe not for a year or two)

3. some say we should just save up and buy a better car??

4. most of the up grade are for 9th gens. and altho they are same parts (for the SAME ENGINE) there are major clearence problem in the engine bay when you try to put them in 8th gen

5. and either way we're f**ked and 9th gen is ugly as hell??

Please let me know if any of these are incorrect. i really want to boost up my rolla but it doesn't look like there's anything out there.

[Milky]

you can always look into haveing a custom turbo kit built, or build it your self. all parts like internals will interchange with all 1zz's. but most parts are made for vvti 1zz's. so its best to go with one.

so how much more power are you wanting? that is the real question. the second is how great is your budget?

[PhatRoyale]

get in touch with this fellow: http://trdforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32310

[joe19870129]

Originally Posted by Milky

you can always look into haveing a custom turbo kit built, or build it your self. all parts like internals will interchange with all 1zz's. but most parts are made for vvti 1zz's. so its best to go with one.

so how much more power are you wanting? that is the real question. the second is how great is your budget?

i think i'll be satisfied with 200hp, and idealy 220. and my budget is about $1000~$1500 just on purchasing the trubo set (i have budget for necessary tune ups for teh car when the turbo is done.)
Just an idea.

[Milky]

1500 max seems kinda low for a turbo build. is this your daily driver? if so then turbo may not be the route for you. 200-220 is easily achievable, but its not a bolt on and go affair, you must have parts made for this car. all of the intercooler, downpipe, turbo manifold, and air intake will all have to be fabricated. then on top of that you will need a fuel management system, a egt guage, and a wideband 02 system. not to mention the larger injectors, fuel pump and other little parts that will nickle and dime you waaaay past a 1500 budget. then we get to tuning. have you ever tuned a turbo car before? if not then i would seek out a reputable tuner in your area. also ask if they have ever tuned a high compression turbo engine. this will be key to keeping the engine alive. expect to pay anywhere from $125/hr and up for a good dyno tune.

to be truthful, 1500 is not enough money to turbo the car reliably. this means something you can get in, and flog the crap out of, without worrying about it detonating and blowing the f*** up. but with all turbo cars, they all eventually break. could be something simple like an axle, could be bad like a rod hanging out the block.

a decent setup to get to 220whp would be something like this:

garrett gt28rs (internally gated)
jgs log manifold
3in downpipe and full exhaust
aem uego wideband o2 kit
2.5 intercooler piping kit (just buy the piping kit off ebay, dont get one with a cheap intercooler)
precision intercooler core
550cc fuel injectors
255lph fuel pump
bov of your choice,
standalone fuel management system (you can use a piggyback like the greddy emanage ultimate)
tuning.

theres prolly some stuff i left out. but just listed above is over 2000$ worth of stuff if you cant fabricate

[MacktasticSlick]

sounds like fun though... I think this is my goal in a couple years.

[joe19870129]

Originally Posted by Milky

1500 max seems kinda low for a turbo build. is this your daily driver? if so then turbo may not be the route for you. 200-220 is easily achievable, but its not a bolt on and go affair, you must have parts made for this car. all of the intercooler, downpipe, turbo manifold, and air intake will all have to be fabricated. then on top of that you will need a fuel management system, a egt guage, and a wideband 02 system. not to mention the larger injectors, fuel pump and other little parts that will nickle and dime you waaaay past a 1500 budget. then we get to tuning. have you ever tuned a turbo car before? if not then i would seek out a reputable tuner in your area. also ask if they have ever tuned a high compression turbo engine. this will be key to keeping the engine alive. expect to pay anywhere from $125/hr and up for a good dyno tune.

to be truthful, 1500 is not enough money to turbo the car reliably. this means something you can get in, and flog the crap out of, without worrying about it detonating and blowing the f*** up. but with all turbo cars, they all eventually break. could be something simple like an axle, could be bad like a rod hanging out the block.

a decent setup to get to 220whp would be something like this:

garrett gt28rs (internally gated)
jgs log manifold
3in downpipe and full exhaust
aem uego wideband o2 kit
2.5 intercooler piping kit (just buy the piping kit off ebay, dont get one with a cheap intercooler)
precision intercooler core
550cc fuel injectors
255lph fuel pump
bov of your choice,
standalone fuel management system (you can use a piggyback like the greddy emanage ultimate)
tuning.

theres prolly some stuff i left out. but just listed above is over 2000$ worth of stuff if you cant fabricate

thank you so much, these are very useful infos. the budget and hp are just ideas. since the engine is only 1.8 L i don't think it would be a good idea to go too over the top especially when it's not from the maker of the car.
btw, whey did you say turbo would not be a good idea if the car is my daily driver, is there another suggestion??

[Milky]

turboing a car that is not ment to be turbo usually results in lots of down time. if its your daily driver it will then become a bit more unreliable, especially if you drive the piss out of it. the truth is this, turboed cars break parts, more so if its just a turbo kit thrown onto a otherwise stock engine and drivetrain.

the best option for a daily.. stay n/a if its n/a to begin with. but then that is no fun. the best thing to do is if this is your daily, and only ride, is to build the engine. the trans will hold power till a point, but it would be a good idea to open it up and add a lsd like im doing to my spare one. but if you go for a build, you dont have to have the car down for maybe a day or so to swap everything in. start by finding a good core engine to build. if you dont want anything too wild, just go with forged 8.8 cr pistons and mwr rods, use arp studs and mwr bearings. mwr bearings are a must by the way, this is due to our factory bearings being mostly aluminum and easily deforming under the rigors of a boosted engine. other than that keep it close to stock if its a daily. this way it will be overbuilt, and have the drivability of a stock 1zz.

[PhatRoyale]

Originally Posted by Milky

turboing a car that is not ment to be turbo usually results in lots of down time. if its your daily driver it will then become a bit more unreliable, especially if you drive the piss out of it. the truth is this, turboed cars break parts, more so if its just a turbo kit thrown onto a otherwise stock engine and drivetrain.

the best option for a daily.. stay n/a if its n/a to begin with. but then that is no fun. the best thing to do is if this is your daily, and only ride, is to build the engine. the trans will hold power till a point, but it would be a good idea to open it up and add a lsd like im doing to my spare one. but if you go for a build, you dont have to have the car down for maybe a day or so to swap everything in. start by finding a good core engine to build. if you dont want anything too wild, just go with forged 8.8 cr pistons and mwr rods, use arp studs and mwr bearings. mwr bearings are a must by the way, this is due to our factory bearings being mostly aluminum and easily deforming under the rigors of a boosted engine. other than that keep it close to stock if its a daily. this way it will be overbuilt, and have the drivability of a stock 1zz.

This.

And it's going to be a lot more unreliable.

I've seen way too many blown 1ZZ that went the FI route.

[Keolaaina]

Originally Posted by Milky

turboing a car that is not ment to be turbo usually results in lots of down time. if its your daily driver it will then become a bit more unreliable, especially if you drive the piss out of it. the truth is this, turboed cars break parts, more so if its just a turbo kit thrown onto a otherwise stock engine and drivetrain.

the best option for a daily.. stay n/a if its n/a to begin with. but then that is no fun. the best thing to do is if this is your daily, and only ride, is to build the engine. the trans will hold power till a point, but it would be a good idea to open it up and add a lsd like im doing to my spare one. but if you go for a build, you dont have to have the car down for maybe a day or so to swap everything in. start by finding a good core engine to build. if you dont want anything too wild, just go with forged 8.8 cr pistons and mwr rods, use arp studs and mwr bearings. mwr bearings are a must by the way, this is due to our factory bearings being mostly aluminum and easily deforming under the rigors of a boosted engine. other than that keep it close to stock if its a daily. this way it will be overbuilt, and have the drivability of a stock 1zz.

I've been thinking how much power would you be making with these up grades. I've seen some of these parts but specified for the Celica and
MR-S. So how would they work for an 8th gen?

[Milky]

Originally Posted by Keolaaina

I've been thinking how much power would you be making with these up grades. I've seen some of these parts but specified for the Celica and
MR-S. So how would they work for an 8th gen?

well, it really depends all on your setup. if the parts are for the internals, they will work. a 1zz celica is still a 1zz powered car. all aftermarket parts that fit its engine (internally) will fit ours, with the exception of the non vvti engines trying to use the cams. if your vvti then it all fits.

if your on stock internals, i wouldnt push past 200whp. if your on forged goodness, then i would say 400whp, cus who really needs a fwd car with over 400whp on the street. its just for showing off at that point. i mean, rolling burnouts are awesome, but yeah.

building a car, no matter the make, really comes down to how much power you want, is it a daily driver, and how much can you afford.
if its a daily and your wanting 300+whp, then you need to find a new daily IMO.

[omgLIFT]

if anyone is impatient and doesn't want to wait for that company to produce the 8thgen superchargers just send me a pm because i'm actually selling my 1zz supercharger setup that I had on my 05+ 1zz Corolla with drive by wire.