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Old 02-25-2010, 06:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question about tires.

So i went and bought some used summer tires today including rims.

They are 205/45/16 Nexen N3000 on Aftermarket 16" alloy rims. Tire calculator says theres only a 0.8% difference in diameter so i should be good there.

My two questions are:

1) Will i be able to turn my wheel fully? The width of the tire is 20mm wider (about an inch) Just wondering will the tires rub on the car when its fully turned.

2) One of the tires have bad uneven wear, on the inner side, the tread is completely gone. The other side has about 30% left. The other tires range from 50 to 70% tread. If I put the tire with the no tread one on side at the back wheel, will this cause any problems? Main concern is the tires blowing up on me? How much rubber is left on the tire when the tread is worn? Will that rubber last me a year or two?
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If the tire has uneven wear. Go get new tires. Uneven wear in tires can cause handling issues. You shouldn't have any problems with turning the wheel. Even if you do you can always roll your fender.
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2) One of the tires have bad uneven wear, on the inner side, the tread is completely gone. The other side has about 30% left. The other tires range from 50 to 70% tread. If I put the tire with the no tread one on side at the back wheel, will this cause any problems? Main concern is the tires blowing up on me? How much rubber is left on the tire when the tread is worn? Will that rubber last me a year or two?
You could, but I wouldn't recommend it. It would still last you quite a while, I know people who have driven tires down to the wire before, but at the end of the day a bald tire on the rear is one of the worst things you can have. The reason being is that when you go around a corner at speed (particularly in the wet) the weight is shifted towards the back of the car, which would make the back slide out first.

Personally I prefer to have more grip on the front tires since Corollas are FWD so I do it for the grip factor, but I would never let my rear tires get to the state where they are bald. It's just far too risky for cornering. You'll sleep a lot easier if you just get it replaced .
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Mount them and try them out, it depends on the width and the offset of the wheels you bought.
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I will try them out first before purchasing a new tire, but i'll need to wait until the temps rise. right now its still in the negative Celsius. I dont take hard turns so the chances of the rear slipping is very minimal. Also wouldnt the other rear tire help a bit in this case? not both rear is bald, just one is bald and its only the inner part of the tire (last person prob didnt have a good balance done, the other 3/4 of the tire is still good. I did one time experience some understeer while going fast on a turn before though. I think most FWD cars are built with some pre understeer? is that right? or is it just a myth. Cause understeer is alot easier to get out of, just slow down. Oversteer will require a bit more control?
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All FWD cars naturally understeer to a degree. That's a fact.

Some cars are more neutral and balanced than others however, if you find yourself overshooting the corner, just lift off the accelerator completely and the nose should tuck in.

IMO I find oversteer (in RWD cars) easier to control since the drive wheels are seperate from the steering wheels and it's easier to modulate the throttle and use it to steer the car.
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Hopefully it'll get warmer soon so i can take it for a test run.

Oh, 1 more question. Since the new rims are 16" compare to the stock 14", they are quite a bit heavier... will this decrease performance? Harder for the wheels to turn? Or is it so minimal it won't make a noticable difference?
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Increased unsprung mass will make the car feel more sluggish.

Larger diameter wheels will increase rotational inertia slowing the car's rate of acceleration.

With wider wheels and grippier tires, there is generally more steering effort required to turn.
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I dont take hard turns so the chances of the rear slipping is very minimal. Also wouldnt the other rear tire help a bit in this case? not both rear is bald, just one is bald and its only the inner part of the tire (last person prob didnt have a good balance done, the other 3/4 of the tire is still good. I did one time experience some understeer while going fast on a turn before though. I think most FWD cars are built with some pre understeer? is that right? or is it just a myth. Cause understeer is alot easier to get out of, just slow down. Oversteer will require a bit more control?
It only takes one bad tire to cause a crash . The likelihood of you actually having a crash due to that tire is fairly minimal considering the tread-wear is on the inner edge, but it's still definitely possible as the tire wouldn't be able to disperse the water on a wet road as effectively as a tire with good tread would (which makes hydroplaning all the more possible).

Over here in New Zealand we have a vehicle safety check every 6-months called a Warrant of Fitness (WOF), and if your don't have at least 1.5mm of tread on any given part of the tire then you'll fail. Not sure what the laws are like in your country, but I'd say they'd be fairly similar. The chances of you have of crashing as a result of the tire is no where near as high as if the tire was completely bald, but at the end of the day it's your money and your life, not to mention the lives of others at stake .
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It only takes one bad tire to cause a crash . The likelihood of you actually having a crash due to that tire is fairly minimal considering the tread-wear is on the inner edge, but it's still definitely possible as the tire wouldn't be able to disperse the water on a wet road as effectively as a tire with good tread would (which makes hydroplaning all the more possible).

Over here in New Zealand we have a vehicle safety check every 6-months called a Warrant of Fitness (WOF), and if your don't have at least 1.5mm of tread on any given part of the tire then you'll fail. Not sure what the laws are like in your country, but I'd say they'd be fairly similar. The chances of you have of crashing as a result of the tire is no where near as high as if the tire was completely bald, but at the end of the day it's your money and your life, not to mention the lives of others at stake .
Yeah we have some kinda minimum tire tread as well. Yes I don't want safety to be an issue, thats why im going to test out the tires as soon as it gets warm. Of course on an empty parking lot or something. If they dont handle at least as well as my all seasons, i will replace it.
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2) One of the tires have bad uneven wear, on the inner side, the tread is completely gone. The other side has about 30% left.
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Yes I don't want safety to be an issue, thats why im going to test out the tires as soon as it gets warm. Of course on an empty parking lot or something. If they dont handle at least as well as my all seasons, i will replace it.
If you don't want safety to be an issue, replace that tire.

Sure, it might seem to handle as well as your all-season tires in an empty parking lot or on a dry road, but on a wet road that tire will be a serious liability.
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