After much research and soul searching, I've decided to go with a motor swap rather than turboing. I figure in order to do a turbo right, I would have to rebuild the motor with stronger parts etc. and then the turbocharging itself would require lots of fabrication.
It's not like I need 10-gazillion horsepower or anything; I just want a little more oomph. And I don't want to loose the reliability of my stock motor.
So I'm going to go with a 2ZZ-GE to replace my 1ZZ-FE. I found a shop in my area who says they can do it. The biggest challenge will be the wiring and I think Dr. Tweak at Phoenix Tuning can help me out with that. I probably won't start this project until the fall, since the Rolla spends most of the winter months in the garage anyway.
So any thoughts anyone wants to contribute are welcome. I'll be posting the message in other forums as well. Thanks.
i smell a good thread in the making. ^ what he said. details, pictures and videos as well. i'm still weighing this as a option if i cant find a new car. you getting the 6spd too?
meh, the 2ZZ is fun but torque from low rpm is severely lacking for daily driving.
So I have heard. Some other folks have suggested the 2AZ-FE might be a better choice. But I'm worried about fitment problems because it is a bigger engine.
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why not just have MWR build a 1ZZ-FE and tune?
Because MWR is in Michigan and I am in Virginia. It would be too expensive to take it there, fly back home, fly back there when it is done, and drive home.
they could build it, crate ship, you install, then have a local place tune. all in all it could end up being what a complete 2ZZ swap costs, especially since you'll want the 6spd to go with to match the peaky nature. all in all...
if you are dead set on the 2ZZ then you may as well do a little work to it while its out and bolt the supercharger on then.
The 1ZZ-FE is no torque monster either. Spending that much on an economy-based engine is absurd. Drivability will suffer.
Besides, hitting lift is way more fun. The 2ZZ-GE is a better starting point for modifications.
Once you complete the 2ZZ swap, be sure the first thing you get is the Apex'i PowerFC to lower the lift engagement point.
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So I have heard. Some other folks have suggested the 2AZ-FE might be a better choice. But I'm worried about fitment problems because it is a bigger engine..
And your already front-biased weight distribution will be even worse and handling will suffer.
Don't even consider a 2AZ-FE swap.
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if you are dead set on the 2ZZ then you may as well do a little work to it while its out and bolt the supercharger on then.
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The 1ZZ-FE is no torque monster either. Spending that much on an economy-based engine is absurd. Drivability will suffer.
Besides, hitting lift is way more fun. The 2ZZ-GE is a better starting point for modifications.
Once you complete the 2ZZ swap, be sure the first thing you get is the Apex'i PowerFC to lower the lift engagement point.
And your already front-biased weight distribution will be even worse and handling will suffer.
Don't even consider a 2AZ-FE swap.
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http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=293105 read please NA power with driveability can be done on the 1ZZ for about what they would build a 2ZZ for, granted you get less total whp but you get torque spread across a much much better band. the dyno photo is down at the moment but torque was pretty flat across and all at very 'everyday' engine speeds.
Close to $10K in cost including parts and labour? No thanks.
You can buy a Celica GT-S in decent condition for less than the cost of getting that kind of engine work done.
Better starting plaform than keeping the Corolla and getting a swap.
no where near 10K in parts and labor. hell with them assembling it, installing and tuning it was going to be 1500 on top of the parts, which i added up to about 4000. so for 5500 to have a built n/a 1zz made, installed and tuned is not a bad price at all. if you did it all your self you could save alot of money. and have the fun of the engine build, well at least i find them fun. not to mention they didnt even go full out on that 1zz. they just used off the shelf items, threw it together and made 185whp. if you went more radical on compression, say 12:1 and added in some nice ITBS then i could easily see it breaking 200+ whp. and still be under 10k doing it your self and having one bad ass 1zz.
I dunno, IMO if you're going to do a swap, do it right and do a 3S-GTE from the MR-2 Turbo.
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why not? i agree no lift no fun but as a get around town motor the 2az aint bad. it got torque something the ZZ engines dont seem to grasp the concept of. its something i'd consider.
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I dunno, IMO if you're going to do a swap, do it right and do a 3S-GTE from the MR-2 Turbo.
why not? i agree no lift no fun but as a get around town motor the 2az aint bad. it got torque something the ZZ engines dont seem to grasp the concept of. its something i'd consider.
The thing's seriously underpowered.
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Cast Iron FTL.
I'm guessing that you don't know much about the performance potential of the 3S-GTE then.
One of the greatest Toyota engines of all time.
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NA power with driveability can be done on the 1ZZ for about what they would build a 2ZZ for, granted you get less total whp but you get torque spread across a much much better band. the dyno photo is down at the moment but torque was pretty flat across and all at very 'everyday' engine speeds.
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