02 to 98 engine swap

[iskate631]

so i have 2 corollas. a 98 thats smashed up and an 02 with a blown motor. ive been considering swapping the engines, as it wouldnt cost a penny and i have every part necessary at hand. ive come to understand i believe it is only the engine harness and the ecu that needs to be changed to eliminate the VVTI in the newer model. if there is anything else that needs to be changed id appreciate it if someone could enlighten me. only one other question. i was also considering swapping the intakes. would this be compatable or no?

[Bdub215]

Originally Posted by iskate631

so i have 2 corollas. a 98 thats smashed up and an 02 with a blown motor. ive been considering swapping the engines, as it wouldnt cost a penny and i have every part necessary at hand. ive come to understand i believe it is only the engine harness and the ecu that needs to be changed to eliminate the VVTI in the newer model. if there is anything else that needs to be changed id appreciate it if someone could enlighten me. only one other question. i was also considering swapping the intakes. would this be compatable or no?

dont bother. since you have vvt-i stick with a vvt-i motor dont change for the non-vvt-i. but if your adamant about it just run the 98 block w/ 02 head. unless more is damaged in the 02.

[dorman68]

Originally Posted by Bdub215

dont bother. since you have vvt-i stick with a vvt-i motor dont change for the non-vvt-i. but if your adamant about it just run the 98 block w/ 02 head. unless more is damaged in the 02.

I agree, use the 98 block with the 02 head to keep the vvt-i

[Milky]

hell im swapping to vvti!

also to run the 98 block in the 02 you will need to swap the crank position reluctor wheel from the 02 block to the 98 block.

the intake (assuming intake manifold) would be from an 03-05 corolla or 00-02 celica gt / mrs.

[plu]

Going from a 98 to 02, don't forget to swap the fuel pump as the vapor pressure sensor is located there and charcoal canister as they are differrent. And also add a CCV if you want to not get CEL for EVAP.

[Milky]

Originally Posted by plu

Going from a 98 to 02, don't forget to swap the fuel pump as the vapor pressure sensor is located there and charcoal canister as they are differrent. And also add a CCV if you want to not get CEL for EVAP.

??? you might want to reread it. hes using the 98 bottom end in a 02 car. the wiring and everything for an 02 is there...

i on the other hand am swapping to vvti, but im not swaping out that crap because im going to be using a celica ecu anyways so ill prolly always have a cel. hell my car had soo many cels before and still ran like a champ till it started buring a bit of oil.

[plu]

Originally Posted by Milky

??? you might want to reread it. hes using the 98 bottom end in a 02 car. the wiring and everything for an 02 is there...

i on the other hand am swapping to vvti, but im not swaping out that crap because im going to be using a celica ecu anyways so ill prolly always have a cel. hell my car had soo many cels before and still ran like a champ till it started buring a bit of oil.

I know. That info was for you. I already have a 98 running off a 04 Corolla engine with VVTi on a 03 ECU. It will run fine, but you might not like the idle. You will get EVAP codes for P0441 and P0446.

[Milky]

i had those codes as is and then some. it will idle just fine.

[plu]

Originally Posted by Milky

i had those codes as is and then some. it will idle just fine.

Just trying to help.......why so hostile?


You might of had those codes, but that was on a 98 ECU with 98 EVAP system not on a 00+ ECU with 98 EVAP system. The 98-99 Corolla has what Toyota calls an 'Early' type EVAP (Non-Intrusive)system. The 2000+ Corolla, 2000+ Celica, 2000+ Camry etc. came with the 'Late type (Intrusive) EVAP system. Between the early and late system, they added a CCV, used a bypass VSV instead of the 3 way VSV on the canister and put the vapor pressure sensor on the fuel pump assembly to check pressure in the tank instead of the canister.

When you do the wiring to the new ECU, you will find that you should wire the CCV to the ECU which is part of the Late EVAP system. The car will run without this connection, but when it tries to turn on/off this and the bypass VSV for the tank , the vaccum goes crazy (sometimes BUT NOT all the time) affecting idle.

But really, the fix is cheap and easy. Just grab the parts that I mentioned from a 00 - 02 Corolla and bolt on. You won't spend more than $100 from a pull it yourself yard. Just the CCV alone will take care of P0441. Good luck on your swap

[iskate631]

thats a possibility. i believe the head is in perfect condition. in that case i wouldnt be switching anything other than just the block? why would i have to swap the cp wheel? arent the blocks identical?

[Milky]

Originally Posted by plu

Just trying to help.......why so hostile?


You might of had those codes, but that was on a 98 ECU with 98 EVAP system not on a 00+ ECU with 98 EVAP system. The 98-99 Corolla has what Toyota calls an 'Early' type EVAP (Non-Intrusive)system. The 2000+ Corolla, 2000+ Celica, 2000+ Camry etc. came with the 'Late type (Intrusive) EVAP system. Between the early and late system, they added a CCV, used a bypass VSV instead of the 3 way VSV on the canister and put the vapor pressure sensor on the fuel pump assembly to check pressure in the tank instead of the canister.

When you do the wiring to the new ECU, you will find that you should wire the CCV to the ECU which is part of the Late EVAP system. The car will run without this connection, but when it tries to turn on/off this and the bypass VSV for the tank , the vaccum goes crazy (sometimes BUT NOT all the time) affecting idle.

But really, the fix is cheap and easy. Just grab the parts that I mentioned from a 00 - 02 Corolla and bolt on. You won't spend more than $100 from a pull it yourself yard. Just the CCV alone will take care of P0441. Good luck on your swap

not hostile at all, you just percieved it that way. and im still not going to swap any of that crap in. there are no 00+ corollas/celicas or matrix's in the junkyards in my area. so im not even going to sweat it. plus i dont have emission testing anyways. another reason i <3 ky

[Milky]

Originally Posted by iskate631

thats a possibility. i believe the head is in perfect condition. in that case i wouldnt be switching anything other than just the block? why would i have to swap the cp wheel? arent the blocks identical?

the wheels have the same number of teeth, but are timed differently. the vvti ones have the missing teeth about 45* or so off from the non vvti ones.