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Old 02-24-2011, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Celica IM/TB, Tein Springs, and Sunroof delete

So guys I got myself one of the Celica intake manifolds and throttlebody along with some Tein S Tech lowering springs!

The IN and TB were a pain but heres what I got and some comparison shots:



The installation was a pain and some new hoses and fittings had to be made. The bigger problems were custom making a throttle cable holder,rerouting the upper radiator hose, and retrofitting the old throttle pulley onto the new TB:


Finished



And The lowering springs, only have the front ones on now but Ill take pics when its finished tomorrow
before:

after:




Last but not least my sunroof delete after the thing broke on me as I was going down the freeway. Just ABS overlayed 1/2" over the side sealed with silicone sealent and some aluminum rivets:



Let me know what you think!

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Looks good man!!! Hows the car feel now compared to the stock IM/TB?
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Did you modify the headliner in any way to get the extra headroom back?
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Looks good man!!! Hows the car feel now compared to the stock IM/TB?
my guess would be like a 9th gen with a weight reduction.

@ tweek hopefully deleting the sunroof will be worth the effort instead of fixing it.
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where did you get the intake/tb?
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There is definitely more pull in the lower rpm levels and it feels consistent all around, unlike the old one where is sucked until ~3500 rpms when the VVTi really kicked in. The sound is different too. It is definitely quieter at idle but sounds mean when it gets past 2500 rpms.

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I haven't had a chance to completely cut out the sunroof yet. It was put in aftermarket by the previous owner and the thing is glued to my roof and they cut out the support bars that normally run across the roof.

Theres alot of work to be done and im really trying to find someone to weld up some new supports and probably a piece of sheet metal where the abs is now along with a fresh paint job

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Thats what Id guess. Im not sure if the 9th gens have the huge throttle body tho. And as for the roof Ive had no leaks all winter or throughout this rain recently. I am worried when it gets hotter there will be gaps from expanding in the heat but I hope to have sheet metal in by then.

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Check eBay out theres tons of listings. Its really hard to find them for under $150 each but I managed to grab both pieces for less than that combined. Its all about patience and waiting for the parts to get listed cheap.You could also check a junkyard but most dont carry cars newer than 2000.

Its definitely alot of work and shouldnt be done without the help of someone who knows what theyre doing if your inexperienced

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Its not that hard to swap out and intake throttle body....I've done it 3 or 4 times on my corolla. There are like a few bolts, and a few hoses, take them off and put them all back on properly and you're done.
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Its not that hard to swap out and intake throttle body....I've done it 3 or 4 times on my corolla. There are like a few bolts, and a few hoses, take them off and put them all back on properly and you're done.
The plastic IM is bigger and I had to disconnect the AC line to fit it in. Another problem is there are a few ports that are unused from the celica setup that need to be properly IDed closed off or youll be shooting out antifreeze or pulling in unfiltered air.

Also on the TB I had to modify my old throttle pulley to fit because the celica one is different. Really only takes a dremel but could mess up the whole thing if its not done right and doesnt catch as you accelerate.

The big thing I ran into tho was setting the throttle cable and the throttle position return cable. I had to custom make both to work right as the stock ones will not work. Otherwise the cables will be to loose, tight, or rub each other which isnt good
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Seriously....I know how easy it really is to put on a celica intake/throttle body....because i've done it multiple times, and multiple engine rebuilds. But thanks for playing.
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Seriously....I know how easy it really is to put on a celica intake/throttle body....because i've done it multiple times, and multiple engine rebuilds. But thanks for playing.
Im not trying to say you cant do it, obviously you have experience working with engines and mechanical work. I know I cant rebuild and engine lol

Im just putting it out there for the kids who wants to make their car faster but have no idea what theyre doing or the average person who cant even change their own oil. A lot of people have to go to a school just to understand how to do some of this stuff.
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Seriously....I know how easy it really is to put on a celica intake/throttle body....because i've done it multiple times, and multiple engine rebuilds. But thanks for playing.

Moviestar, it sounds like you should be telling us where to get the IM & TB.......
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The plastic IM is bigger and I had to disconnect the AC line to fit it in. Another problem is there are a few ports that are unused from the celica setup that need to be properly IDed closed off or youll be shooting out antifreeze or pulling in unfiltered air.

Also on the TB I had to modify my old throttle pulley to fit because the celica one is different. Really only takes a dremel but could mess up the whole thing if its not done right and doesnt catch as you accelerate.

The big thing I ran into tho was setting the throttle cable and the throttle position return cable. I had to custom make both to work right as the stock ones will not work. Otherwise the cables will be to loose, tight, or rub each other which isnt good
you coulda gave that ac line a good tug and slid the manifold and that ground wire in place. thats what i did. my throttlebody had a WR throttle rotor on it so it acts like the stock throttle setup (maybe future investment for anyone interested) that made setting up the cable easy.
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Seriously....I know how easy it really is to put on a celica intake/throttle body....because i've done it multiple times, and multiple engine rebuilds. But thanks for playing.
? Its not as easy as you think. but if you know something we don't please inform the class.
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I would die for a sunroof yet you deleted it? Can't bear this sight.

You should have traded the car away if you don't want to fix the sunroof.
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im going to chime in here on this post and correct a few things.

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The plastic IM is bigger and I had to disconnect the AC line to fit it in. Another problem is there are a few ports that are unused from the celica setup that need to be properly IDed closed off or youll be shooting out antifreeze or pulling in unfiltered air.
1. you should not have to disconnect the ac line at all to fit it in. all you have to do, is bend it slightly towards the front of the car by hand. no more than maybe 3/4 of an inch, if even that.

2. if you did the swap properly on a vvti engine, then you should NOT have any open ports. the celica uses the same amount of ports and coolant passeges as the corolla. no more, no less.

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Also on the TB I had to modify my old throttle pulley to fit because the celica one is different. Really only takes a dremel but could mess up the whole thing if its not done right and doesnt catch as you accelerate.
3. the celica one will work just fine with a M/T car, not with auto's which have kick down cables, such as yours.

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The big thing I ran into tho was setting the throttle cable and the throttle position return cable. I had to custom make both to work right as the stock ones will not work. Otherwise the cables will be to loose, tight, or rub each other which isnt good
4. there is no such thing as a throttle position return cable. the cable you are thinking of, is a transmission kick down cable. as said above, the pulley will work with stock. i know because i am using it. no mods needed. just need the cable bracket for the throttle body and it will work with M/T cars. not auto. this is because the celica used a tps signal for trans downshifts and our cars use a mechanical kick down cable.


also, ive known about this and did this mod well over a year ago. along with even more technical swaps like my 6spd swap. Bdub has had it done for quite a while as well, if you search my posts or bdubs you will find everything you need to know about the IM/TB swap.
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im going to chime in here on this post and correct a few things.



1. you should not have to disconnect the ac line at all to fit it in. all you have to do, is bend it slightly towards the front of the car by hand. no more than maybe 3/4 of an inch, if even that.

2. if you did the swap properly on a vvti engine, then you should NOT have any open ports. the celica uses the same amount of ports and coolant passeges as the corolla. no more, no less.



3. the celica one will work just fine with a M/T car, not with auto's which have kick down cables, such as yours.



4. there is no such thing as a throttle position return cable. the cable you are thinking of, is a transmission kick down cable. as said above, the pulley will work with stock. i know because i am using it. no mods needed. just need the cable bracket for the throttle body and it will work with M/T cars. not auto. this is because the celica used a tps signal for trans downshifts and our cars use a mechanical kick down cable.


also, ive known about this and did this mod well over a year ago. along with even more technical swaps like my 6spd swap. Bdub has had it done for quite a while as well, if you search my posts or bdubs you will find everything you need to know about the IM/TB swap.
Thanks for some clarifications. I think I may have bought later year celica stuff from '03+ models...it just said 00-05 on the listings.

Heres what I got:

Notice it has 3 open ports rather than 2 on a corolla. I just plugged the one

And here is the TB:

The pulley only has a spot for the cable not the transmission kick down. It also has a strange, I think thats the thermometer, branches into 2 outlets rather than just 1 like the corolla so I also had to plug one of these

And @Buurin I will never own a car with a sunroof ever again lol. This one literally imploded when I hit a bump on the freeway and threw broken glass all over me and my car on my way home from work. Luckily i only had a few cuts but the tracks got ruined by glass pieces jammed in them and it would have cost me over $1000 to have it all replaced because insurance didnt cover it.

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