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Old 12-12-2011, 04:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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01 Corolla rough in gear

This is my old Corolla, now my Mother's. It currently runs mostly smooth while in park or neutral, revs up smooth. But in gear, it hesitates and will not even hit 2k RPMs.

It WAS running so rough that it could not even run while parked without stalling. It acted like a plug was not even firing.

Tested and replaced all plugs already with NGK Iridiums. Tested and all coils are firing. Cleaned out the MAF and throttle body, including around the butterfly valve. Ran seafoam through it. TPS measures .4 volts at idle and smoothly moves up to just under 7 volts when open, no spikes or drops. Fuel flow is fine, and the fuel pump was replaced by somebody else who was sure that was the problem. MAF was also replaced a few months back.

After the cleaning, the engine was running smoother and could run without dying like it was before. Revs up really smooth, so my efforts improved it. Put it in any gear, and it will only run at idle speeds and idles pretty high. Push on the accelerator and it feels like it is doing NOTHING.

I am suspecting the TPS but know little about the correct voltage range for it or how to adjust it. She cannot afford to take it to the stealership. I feel I am close to the problem since a thorough cleaning improved it. Don't want to spend money on a new TPS without knowing for sure.

Any advice appreciated. My Mother is without a car until this is fixed.
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did you try changing the tranny fluid
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Transmission fluid has been changed before.

The engine hesitates and won't even try to rev to 2k RPM when in any gear. Put it in neutral or park and it revs up ok, but a tad rough.

I strongly suspect a sensor problem such as the TPS. But I cannot find the correct voltage range for it. It reads 0.4 volts at idle, and close to 7 volts wide open.
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BTW, borrowing a scanner now to see if there are any stored codes. Check engine light is not on.
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How are you reading the voltage from the TPS, backprobing the connector or reading it from the OBD-II port via ScanGauge or similar product?

Try checking the resistance of the TPS. Three pins on the connector - measuring the resistance between the top and middle pin:
- closed = fractions of a ohms up to 5k-6k ohms
- full open = couple of ohms to 10k ohms
- between the middle and bottom pin, couple of ohms to 6k ohms regardless of throttle position

Seems like the car wants to die under load. Have you tried loading it down without going in gear - like turning on the all the accessories, kicking the A/C windshield defogger on? Does the car want to still die?

If the pump in transaxle is damaged, it would put an excessively high load on the engine - some cases, stalling the engine immediately when shifted into gear.

Could be a number of possibilities - ECM problem, VVTi system failure, timing jumped on the car, etc.
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How are you reading the voltage from the TPS, backprobing the connector or reading it from the OBD-II port via ScanGauge or similar product?

Try checking the resistance of the TPS. Three pins on the connector - measuring the resistance between the top and middle pin:
- closed = fractions of a ohms up to 5k-6k ohms
- full open = couple of ohms to 10k ohms
- between the middle and bottom pin, couple of ohms to 6k ohms regardless of throttle position

Seems like the car wants to die under load. Have you tried loading it down without going in gear - like turning on the all the accessories, kicking the A/C windshield defogger on? Does the car want to still die?

If the pump in transaxle is damaged, it would put an excessively high load on the engine - some cases, stalling the engine immediately when shifted into gear.

Could be a number of possibilities - ECM problem, VVTi system failure, timing jumped on the car, etc.
I was using a volt meter on the TPS. The OBDII scanner reported a TPS circuit malfunction. So I believe we found the culprit. Now the fun part of replacing it and making sure it is calibrated for the car. I am going to try and talk her into taking it to Toyota and have it fixed right.
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BTW, I've read that the aftermarket TPSs are no good. Is this true? Does a new TPS need to be calibrated? From the notes I've read, it suggests the TPS has to be installed by a professional and calibrated. Can I safely save my Mother some money and do this, or does Toyota need to do this?
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