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Old 01-20-2012, 04:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi every one, just want to throw a question out there. Ive seen a few threads about bypassing the power steering pump on the 1.8 engine. What would be the point of this? Unless your pump goes out,I understand that you would pick up a little h.p. but wouldn't that be negligible ? Also how much harder to steer would it be? Brings up a few questions don't you think.
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Exactly, parasitic drag is fairly negligible. Granted, you'll be able free up some power this manner, but a fraction of what you could gain compared to other ways to add power. For some people - every fraction of HP gained is critical - for others, they won't see much performance improvement at all.

Manufacturers are pushing electric power steering systems - so you still have power assist, but in the form an electric motor strapped to the rack instead of a hydraulic pump. Good for gaining fuel economy and reducing some plumbing, part counts, minimal performance gains, but the steering "feel" takes some getting used to for many.

As for steering feel - since is was designed to be a power assisted rack - at low speeds, it will be tough to steer, you'll get a workout turning the wheel at parking lot speeds. At higher speeds, will be a lot easier to turn, but the effort will still be high. Compared to non-power assisted racks which use mechanical leverage/multiplication to lighten steering weight.

Then there is reaction speed - not only will you be defeating the power assist on the rack, but now emergency reaction speed is lengthened. Your steering response will be slower and greater chance to get into an accident. Replacing the OEM rack with a non-power assisted one may not help, more so in the case if the ratios were not considered. Some non-power assisted racks require more turns lock-to-lock, in order to get the leverage to ease steering weight.

So is deleting the power-steering a good idea? For a track-only car - I don't have a problem with that, might even be beneficial depending on the track. For a street driven car - bad idea, the chance to get into an accident or lose control compared to the fractional power gain is not even worth thinking about this sort of mod.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow! Fish can I call you Fish? and I thought I was starting a good thread. You sure put that one to rest, pretty much what I thought but you explained it, spot on!
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Silverone - This era 1.8L engine is prone to heat problems and oil consumption, your adding potential problems for little or no hp gains. Save your money and get something newer and more powerful, or a car that will see gains modded out.
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Silverone - This era 1.8L engine is prone to heat problems and oil consumption, your adding potential problems for little or no hp gains. Save your money and get something newer and more powerful, or a car that will see gains modded out.
I have no intention of doing this mod, I was curious why any one would want to. I just picked this little rolla up its only got 105k on it, got it pretty cheap cause it had a C.E.L. with a miss in the engine. it also needed rear struts. Ive already fixed the C.E.L. just waiting for my K.Y.B.'S. So far the oil consumption does not seem to bad although we haven't put many miles on it yet.

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I have no intention of doing this mod, I was curious why any one would want to. I just picked this little rolla up its only got 105k on it, got it pretty cheap cause it had a C.E.L. with a miss in the engine. it also needed rear struts. Ive already fixed the C.E.L. just waiting for my K.Y.B.'S. So far the oil consumption does not seem to bad although we haven't put many miles on it yet.
use synthetic and keep the coolant fresh to keep the oil return piston holes clean. When the holes clog is when the consumption occurs. Heat related.
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use synthetic and keep the coolant fresh to keep the oil return piston holes clean. When the holes clog is when the consumption occurs. Heat related.
leakyseals I see your a fan of mobile 1 and kano labs kreen . Any updates on that?
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