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Old 10-03-2012, 07:56 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Both great cars that likely wont break. But if you can afford it, the Matrix gives a little more peace of mind.

Also it may be cheaper but it has a lot of nice touches like:

115V outlet
Rubberized read cargo area
Ridiculous room
Non shaped dash at radio area (like Corolla) making Double Din radio install easier and cleaner
Larger rear brakes
Larger wheels

If I found a Matrix for a good price I would have bought it over my Corolla. While I love my car I have a soft spot for wagons and the utility factor (my Corolla is a 90% complete mobile shop at all times) is a huge plus for me.
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Both great cars that likely wont break. But if you can afford it, the Matrix gives a little more peace of mind.

Also it may be cheaper but it has a lot of nice touches like:

115V outlet
Rubberized read cargo area
Ridiculous room
Non shaped dash at radio area (like Corolla) making Double Din radio install easier and cleaner
Larger rear brakes
Larger wheels

If I found a Matrix for a good price I would have bought it over my Corolla. While I love my car I have a soft spot for wagons and the utility factor (my Corolla is a 90% complete mobile shop at all times) is a huge plus for me.


That is interesting. Why the Matrix over the Vibe? Pontiac and Vibe are gone, so GM may/ do not want to service them?
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:45 AM   #18 (permalink)
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That is interesting. Why the Matrix over the Vibe? Pontiac and Vibe are gone, so GM may/ do not want to service them?
Reasons "I" would choose a Matrix over Vibe

1. Better looks unless its a GT (in which case I don't really want a 2ZZGE).
2. More likely to be 1 color vs. 2 tone rugged gray vibe.
3. A/C system easier to service and more reliable.

Just like the Corolla I would also favor a 2005-2008 Matrix/Vibe over a 2003-2004. The main reason is with the Matrix XR the factory body kit takes a huge beating in the 2003-2004 and a large number are missing or have destroyed front lip pieces.

Another interesting piece of info. Toyota does not sell the Matrix in Japan. Toyota did however sell the NUMMI built Pontiac Vibe converted to RHD and with Matrix interior as the Toyota Voltz (2002-2004) in Japan.
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Reasons "I" would choose a Matrix over Vibe

1. Better looks unless its a GT (in which case I don't really want a 2ZZGE).
2. More likely to be 1 color vs. 2 tone rugged gray vibe.
3. A/C system easier to service and more reliable.

Just like the Corolla I would also favor a 2005-2008 Matrix/Vibe over a 2003-2004. The main reason is with the Matrix XR the factory body kit takes a huge beating in the 2003-2004 and a large number are missing or have destroyed front lip pieces.

Another interesting piece of info. Toyota does not sell the Matrix in Japan. Toyota did however sell the NUMMI built Pontiac Vibe converted to RHD and with Matrix interior as the Toyota Voltz (2002-2004) in Japan.


I see, thank you. I like both, but for some reason there is a strong likeability with the Vibe. You want to not like it maybe because GM was involved, but it is hard to do. Maybe it has to do with it being considered an "underdog" with GMs issues compared Toyota, but still... Do you know if the Toyota AC could be used in place of AC Delco in the event the AC needs service?


One more thing, I like the looks of the Vibe over the Matrix The Vibe was one thing that GM did right.
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I doubt GM did much of anything with the Vibe other than put a badge on it (like a Prizm) and A/C. Interestingly the 2005+ Tacoma also uses an A/C Delco A/C system and the Vibe and Tacoma share the same cabin filter.

The A/C system is completely different behind the dash. No changing it out.

I am not opposed to the vibe at all. Just a preference for a 2005-2008 Matrix XR 5 Speed over all ZZE130 cars.
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I doubt GM did much of anything with the Vibe other than put a badge on it (like a Prizm) and A/C. Interestingly the 2005+ Tacoma also uses an A/C Delco A/C system and the Vibe and Tacoma share the same cabin filter.

The A/C system is completely different behind the dash. No changing it out.

I am not opposed to the vibe at all. Just a preference for a 2005-2008 Matrix XR 5 Speed over all ZZE130 cars.


I think they had a hand in the styling, although Toyota could have done that at their CA design studio. Interesting the AC is different, Since it is a Toyota, I wonder why the AC was not the same across the board, oh well. Thank you for your comments.
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Good call in considering the Corolla


Engine issue you saw is in reference to the PCM. Toyota had a manufacturing defect in some PCMs from the 2005-2008 model years Corolla. The symptoms could include rough shifting, stalling, hard starts, etc. This is also the same time that Toyota started using Drive By Throttle/Wire, which gave the computer more control over "running the car"

The 2004 used cable throttle, so the PCM issue either was a very small or not at all issue. Other than that, there have been few problems with the Corolla over the years. Good luck in finding a decent one.
This is not really an issue. I havw a '06 and it was an ECM issue that was covered under a recall, so it will cost you nothing to take it to the dealer and have them replace it in about 30 mins max

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This is not really an issue. I havw a '06 and it was an ECM issue that was covered under a recall, so it will cost you nothing to take it to the dealer and have them replace it in about 30 mins max

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Thing is some owners have not done this, so it pays to check.
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I agree. Mine was one of those that the previous owner had not had it checked.

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