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Old 07-29-2010, 05:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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USA Sinking Brake Pedal

I own both a 2003 & 2004 Corolla CE models, both with around 110000klms.
I have noticed for some time now, when sitting at a stoplight for a long period of time, the brake pedal loses pressure and sinks under my foot, dropping about two inches. Both cars do this, and slightly lurch forward a
couple of inches. A friend of mine just acquired a 2008 Rav 4, and experiences the same thing. His pedal actually sinks farther, and then slowly drops to just above the floor.
I've bled the brake systems to ensure that there is no air in the lines, but received no improvement. Everything functions normally in daily driving, no
loss of pressure under hard braking, panic stops are normal. Does anyone else
ever experienced this problem?
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Mine does that when the ac compressor kicks on.
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I've noticed that after stopping fully - like at a light - mine will do it too. Otherwise, it brakes fine... I don't think it's a problem.
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Yes. It is more pronounced when the a/c is on. If other people are experiencing this problem, please let the rest of us know. My fear is that if my attention is turned, the car could inadvertently roll forward and bump someone. This may be some sort of design flaw. I've owned other Corollas of previous model years and have never experienced this. This body style runs from 2003-2008, that's a hell of a lot of cars.
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This is not a problem. The brakes are powered by engine vacuum. When sitting stopped, engine idle dropping, or the AC kicking on, will cause an increase in vacuum thus causing the brake pedal to drop closer to the floor.

There is a check valve between the brake booster and the intake manifold. Any time there is an increase in engine vacuum, it increases the power given to the brake booster, and the check valve keeps this from going away when engine vacuum drops back to normal levels.

The surge forwards is from the increase in engine output that comes from the idle controller increasing idle power to compensate for the AC compressor, or other power-sapping device kicking on. Torque increases, thus making the engine more likely to overpower normal minimal braking pressure.

This will happen with any car from any manufacturer (unless the car is brake-by-wire). It should raise red flags if what you describe does NOT happen. That it is happening means everything is functioning as it should.
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The aging of the rubber section of the brake line between the calipers and the steel lines also adds to this. It starts to allow more expansion as time goes on. Mine use to do this quite a bit. I replaced mine with braided flexible steel hoses and I dont ever have it now-
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