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Old 05-25-2011, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Road Noise is DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!

9th gen CE, 5spd. I wouldn't bring it to you guys unless I was absolutely stumped. I have road noise from 25 - 70mph. The pitch increases with road speed but not with RPM. It gets really loud when I veer to the right and it sounds like I am running off-road tires and I can feel it in the pedals.

This is what I have had done so far:
Rotated and balanced tires
alignment
Replaced front left wheel bearing
Rear bearings inspected - good
Replaced front left CV axle

Noise still there! I think the only thing left that would produce a situational vibration like that is a tranny/motor mount. Does anyone have any idea what this could be?

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Old 05-25-2011, 03:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I had noise and vibration like that and it was the tires. Rotated, balanced, changed pressure, alignments, etc and it was always there and extremely annoying. It went away when I replaced the tires. It was right in that same speed range too.

Every car I've been in with a bad motor mount damn near vibrated your teeth out.
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I had noise and vibration like that and it was the tires. Rotated, balanced, changed pressure, alignments, etc and it was always there and extremely annoying. It went away when I replaced the tires. It was right in that same speed range too.

Every car I've been in with a bad motor mount damn near vibrated your teeth out.
I guess.... but why would it get worse when I veer to the right only? If it were tires, would it not be more consistant? Just wondering out loud.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How many miles are on your tires? Not sure what your issue is but I had issues with a 2000 4Runner once. Vibration was bad, sometimes it would be mellow at certain speeds and turning sometimes would make it worse. Replaced almost everything(shocks,brakes,driveshaft u-joints,ball joints, alignment etc) and it still vibrated (balanced tires 'twice") Rotated the spare with each tire position. Still vibrated. Finally after $1800 of needed but fruitless repairs I bought 4 new tires. Vibration gone!!!!! I was told that the tires were only 2 years old and the wear was even so I overlooked them until there was nothing left to replace. Hope you find the issue!!!
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Mine was worse when turning right too. I even brought it to the dealer thinking the wheel bearing was bad a couple times (under warranty). The car was originally leased, and I bought it certified (they threw in the platinum extra care when I went to walk away, hence bearings being covered) with 31,700 on it. Tires looked almost brand new. I'm sure the factory ones weren't good enough for a dealer to sell the car, and I'm sure they weren't going to put on anything good. They were Uniroyal TigerPaw's. They barely lasted 30,000 miles. Using them till worn out was PAINFUL with the noise.

I replaced them with Yokohama Avid T4's (now discontinued). They have 40,000 miles on them and are only half worn. SO much more quiet too.

Also, check the rear door seals in the upper rear part of the door opening. Sometimes they can pull away a bit and need to be shoved back into place. I push mine back in every couple months and it helps with road noise. Certainly not the source of the issue but it might help a bit in general.
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Front right wheel bearing? Jack up the front and check for excess free play with hands at 12 and 6 o'clock on the tire, and for smooth rotation... Your new left bearing may also have been damaged when pressed in.
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I forget the exact name for it...road balancing, pressure balancing....something like that. They balance the tires while simulating the weight of the car on them. You might have to call a few tire shops to see if they offer that type. Don't know if that will help at all, but I figure it can't hurt. When you find out the cause, please post it so the rest of us can know. Best of luck!
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Got this narrowed down to the diff bearings. Question is can these be replaced or do I need a new tranny
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They can be replaced but that is a pretty serious conclusion to a common problem.

I once worked on a Nissan Altima that I SWORE had bad bearings. All the common symptoms and evenly worn tires. Finally one day it had a blow out and I replaced all 4 tires. Noise gone. And I have since updated my wheel bearing check procedure.

Jack the car up on jack stands(preferably 4 wheels but at least the front wheels on a LEVEL SURFACE)

With the car in the air start the car and put the car in gear. Both wheels should be turning at this point.

While the wheels are turning reach your hand in and grab the coil spring on the strut. Grab it tight and feel the spring.

If the bearing is good the spring should have no vibrations going through it and should feel smooth even with the wheel turning.

If the bearing has failed the spring will feel harsh as if something is grinding and resonating through the spring.

You can do this on all 4 wheels. With the rear wheels simply spin the wheel by hand and feel the spring.

I have used this on every single wheel bearing complaint I have ever had and I have never had a comeback. It has been a 100% effective way of determining bad bearings.

Again a diff bearing having failed is hard to imagine. And like said previously the new bearing could have been installed or the tires could be bad.
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I don't think this is so outlandish. The wheel bearings, CVs and tires have all been replaced. The noise is still there and getting worse. It now shakes the entire car. The tranny thats in it has over 250k on it. The vibration only occurs when the wheel is in the neutral position or turning right. This means I am loading and unloading the diff bearings depending on which way I turn.

Does this sound right?
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No... It sounds like your front left wheel bearing. Who replaced it, and what brand of bearing is it? New bearing can easily be damaged when pressed in if it's not done properly.
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No... It sounds like your front left wheel bearing. Who replaced it, and what brand of bearing is it? New bearing can easily be damaged when pressed in if it's not done properly.
Nope, zero play or noise coming from the wheels with it running on jack stands.... Transmission howls when its run on the stands, the entire cabin shudders.
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Ok I didn't recall you saying how much mileage there was earlier. 250K is definitely a possibility. Especially if it wasn't maintained well or the bad axle contributed.

IF you are so inclined you can rebuild the trans yourself. This can save you money and give you piece of mind knowing the trans will be reliable on re-installation. OR you can replace it with a low mileage trans. And from now on if you don't already run a synthetic trans fluid.
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How are you motor and tranny mounts, especially the upper right motor mount? What year is your CE 5spd?
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How are you motor and tranny mounts, especially the upper right motor mount? What year is your CE 5spd?
I guess they are fine. If I put it in reverse and push on the car, the motor doesn't pop up and down I don't know how else to test them.... Its a 2004.
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