but like i have said in another post, i really do not think this starting problem hurts the car in any way. cars now days are have better parts. technology keeps getting better. i really doubt the started in the 05 rolla will die out in 10 years like most cars from the 80's and 90's. the problem really isent anything more than what the car is supposed to do, start the engine, but it take alittle while longer....sometimes. its not hurting your engine. cars are built for this. although it does sorta suck that our brand new cars have some problems, but over the years i have seen so many brand new cars pull off the road with problems. some cars just come from the factory that way. but i really do not think this problem hurts the engine, the starter, or anything else. our cars are fine, im sure. im sure this car will last as long as you want it to, weather it be 5, 10 or even 15 years. after all, it is a toyota.
Salduchi it's nice to see some optimism but the facts are a car is not supposed to do this. My car even stalls because of this problem. This is not normal and it will hurt the car in the future. Now my car is having the sulfer smell and although this can be just a coincidence but it may have been caused be the starting problem. The problem is annoying.
ok well how can this hurt your car? it not going to put wear on the engine. your car doesent do as much as the castrol gtx comercial says its doing while its starting. but yeah i do understand where u are comming from. i mean, maybe itll do something but i sorta doubt it will be something noticable. and its a brand new car.
out of curiousity, does anyone know what the car is doing while its starting? what does the car go through when its being started?
Salduchi the dealer thinks it's a fuel problem but, I dont think so. I think this all has to do from the throttle by wire system. If in fact it is the throttle by wire and fuel is getting through then you will have unburned fuel that can hurt your cat. While the engine is cranking it is just turning over the problem is that since it is not on and just turning over it can hurt components that are vital to the engines operation.
Hi Silver04rollas. The xrs is a totally different engine. The xrs does not have the drive by wire system. The xrs still uses the old style drive by cable which, I would prefer.
Salduchi this seems to be a 2005 Corolla and Matrix problem only. We all know that these two cars are basically the same and definately the motors are the same. If you look into this post you will also see that some people with the 2005 corolla are not having this problem but, a vast majority of us are having the problem.
The other day while trying to start my car it started 3 times but would not stay running until the third shot. This is really bad and it has taking away allot of confidence I have in this car.
i really do not understand how toyota has not admitted to this problem yet. i have called 3 dealerships and 1 in canada and they have all never heard of this problem before. is it possibly the only the toyotas made in canada have this problem? mine is from canada
The only way to know for sure if it is a fuel problem is to put a pressure sensor/gauge in the fuel rail and monitor it when you start it up. If the pressure is not to specs when you start it will take several seconds to start up.
The fuel pressure bleeds off either through the fuel pump, fuel injectors or pressure regulator.
Back in the old days of mechanical fuel pumps. If they started leaking, you would also get slow start up problems which I had. With a new fuel pump, it starts with a turn of the key now. 1982 Corolla SR5
Good day people, it's time for yet another update, but before I do. I will explain a few things about why this is a "bad thing". Salduchi1785, do you own a Corolla by any chance? I'm just curious. Anyways yes back to the problem. Regardless of age, there are a few basic things which have not changed for the better part of well I'd say since the dawn of the car age. Cranking with no start does wear out your starter. Starters were never meant to continously run. Next you are stressing your battery since the starter puts such a drain on it when cranking. Next your alternator, once running, is now having a heavier load put onto it to charge the weakened battery. And should there be raw gas mixing with the oil, then the oil life drops dramatically. Mechanically, in conditions well below zero such as here in Canada during the winter season, the lack of lubrication from the semi frozen oil will cause more wear to the piston rings which in turn may, score the cylinderwalls. Which will lead to higher oil consumption down the road. A high rate of oil consumption will then fowl the spark plugs. Bad plugs = bad performace and fuel milege. The list goes on but this is all that I can think of right now. As you can see many of these things are not so apparent to most people until it is too late. Sure if you own your car for, say 4 years; the typical lease, then who cares. But to those who bought the car and plan on keeping it, such as myself, it is an annoyance which could prove to be costly down the road. I am not trying to start an arguement here but like many of us have said before, "it's a new car, it's suppose to start everytime". Well that's my 2 cents about why it's a problem.
And now what you have all been waiting for. Oh yes I forgot to mention. That no dealer will admit to this problem. Why would they want to look bad? I have only come across 3 people at the dealer who would admit to this problem. All of which are in the service department. One of which did not admit to it being a problem until he was told to tell me that it is a problem by Toyota Technical Department, that it is a problem and is being looked into. Just read back and you'll see why my case is such a big deal. Well today is the 3rd day my car has been at the dealer being tested. Hopefully I will be hearing from them today. I'll keep all of you informed as the information becomes avaliable to me. On the bright side, the 03 rental hasn't given me any hassel at all.
Hey Excidium maybe we should all go to the dealer and ask for an 03 or 04 corolla. This would save us the agravation and some money also. Who's up for getting some money back?
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Good day people, it's time for yet another update, but before I do. I will explain a few things about why this is a "bad thing". Salduchi1785, do you own a Corolla by any chance? I'm just curious. Anyways yes back to the problem. Regardless of age, there are a few basic things which have not changed for the better part of well I'd say since the dawn of the car age. Cranking with no start does wear out your starter. Starters were never meant to continously run. Next you are stressing your battery since the starter puts such a drain on it when cranking. Next your alternator, once running, is now having a heavier load put onto it to charge the weakened battery. And should there be raw gas mixing with the oil, then the oil life drops dramatically. Mechanically, in conditions well below zero such as here in Canada during the winter season, the lack of lubrication from the semi frozen oil will cause more wear to the piston rings which in turn may, score the cylinderwalls. Which will lead to higher oil consumption down the road. A high rate of oil consumption will then fowl the spark plugs. Bad plugs = bad performace and fuel milege. The list goes on but this is all that I can think of right now. As you can see many of these things are not so apparent to most people until it is too late. Sure if you own your car for, say 4 years; the typical lease, then who cares. But to those who bought the car and plan on keeping it, such as myself, it is an annoyance which could prove to be costly down the road. I am not trying to start an arguement here but like many of us have said before, "it's a new car, it's suppose to start everytime". Well that's my 2 cents about why it's a problem. 
Who's up for getting some money back?
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