91 4AFTE What Clutch Can I Use???? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

jmaz87 · 01-31-2009, 07:22 PM

go figure i need a clutch or i can tell it's getting there....

91' 4afte stock internals c52 5spd staying under 200whp

the part no.'s that Toyota lists for clutch, pressure plate etc...
are the same for 89 gts, 91 dx, 91 gts etc

great right?

no...
exedy lists a 200mm a 210mm and even 215mm for corresponding ae92's
can anybody shed light on this?

i'm almost positive a 200mm will work but if i can use a larger clutch since im using the same tranny as a gts and have more power it just makes sense.

toyotaspeed90 · 01-31-2009, 07:28 PM

sure.... you need to find a clutch that will match the flywheel in your car...... or find a flywheel to match the clutch you want.....

exedy has their listings wrong.... or you do....

there's the early 4age and 4afe 200mm clutch/flywheel

later there was a 212mm (and depending on the car this varied)

the s/c's use a 224mm, but the input shaft is completely different and unusable in your trans

ae101 s/c's use a 228mm.. I think it's similar to the 3sgte's, not sure

easiest way to tell if you have a 200 vs. a 212mm is to pull it.... the 4afe's make it even more difficult.... at least the 4age's have a physically different sized flywheel.... the 4afe's have identically sized 200 and 212mm flywheels, but the location of the mounting holes and pins is different between them.....

don't have a 200mm lying around otherwise I would show you.... i have a 200mm 4afe/4ac and a 212mm 4age as spares

jmaz87 · 02-01-2009, 06:20 AM

great thanks a lot!!!

to be honest this almost guarantees it being a 200mm obviously i'll know for sure when i pull my tranny... right now i'm trying to see if i can squeeze my rad back into place...

thanks again... so was it that before april 200mm after april 212? and as for sizes i saw 7 7/8 or 8 1/4 or 8 1/5 thanks

Flashmn · 02-01-2009, 08:14 AM

6 puck sprung sinter.. it should hold, but you're gonna have to change your driving style a bit, a sinter has instant bite, no feathering

4doorGTS · 02-01-2009, 09:33 AM

I think 4af/4afe's use a 6 bolt crank which limits your options. Right now with what you have 200mm flywheel you can use any 200mm set-up meant for a gts fwd or rwd. ACT still makes a large selection for us, I'm using there 4 puck unsprung sintered iron disc with matching x-treme pressure plate for my gze using a c56 from an ae111.

Don't quote me on this but I think the ae101 4afe/7afe use a 212mm flywheel which you should be able to use being a 6 bolt crank again. ACT also makes various 212mm set-ups.

eage8 · 02-01-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Flashmn

6 puck sprung sinter.. it should hold, but you're gonna have to change your driving style a bit, a sinter has instant bite, no feathering

you definitely don't need a puck clutch on a street car...

I would just get a spec stage 1 or 2. But it's hard to tell which one you need on their site. I emailed back and forth with them when I was looking for a clutch and finally gave up because the the guy I was talking to was a retard.

The problem comes because the have one for the GTS, one for the AWD 4AFE, but then they have one for "FWD", and one for "exc GTS"...

does anyone else have a spec clutch? Do you know which one you have?

eage8 · 02-01-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 4doorGTS

I think 4af/4afe's use a 6 bolt crank which limits your options. Right now with what you have 200mm flywheel you can use any 200mm set-up meant for a gts fwd or rwd. ACT still makes a large selection for us, I'm using there 4 puck unsprung sintered iron disc with matching x-treme pressure plate for my gze using a c56 from an ae111.

Don't quote me on this but I think the ae101 4afe/7afe use a 212mm flywheel which you should be able to use being a 6 bolt crank again. ACT also makes various 212mm set-ups.

I highly recommend ACT clutches... that's what I'll be buying for my FC come spring when I blow out my stock clutch. But they are a bit more pricey than specs, and it looks like you'll have to build your own kit if you want one with a normal disc.

Flashmn · 02-01-2009, 11:24 AM

Yeah, but it wont hurt anything, not to mention atleast over here sinter clutches are WAY cheaper than "performance" clutches. Heck I'm running with an OEM clutch without clutch slip...

jmaz87 · 02-02-2009, 01:51 AM

im assuming "sinter" would be a ceramic clutch

is the oem exedy gonna slip that bad? i didn't think it would
especially if you are flashmn

Flashmn · 02-02-2009, 05:48 AM

it will start to slip... eventually.

sinter = sinter puck clutch, yeah they usually are metallic/ceramic.

toyotaspeed90 · 02-02-2009, 03:36 PM

AWD clutch will not work with a C series trans.... has the same input shaft as the E/W series.

him having a 6 bolt crank means nothing..... the diameter and locations of the mounting pins between the 6 bolt and 8 bolt flywheels are the same (200 v 200 and 212 v 212)..... all C series use the same input shaft (along with any T50 for an ae86).

however, any of the W series, E series, or the AWD transmission clutches cannot be used with a C series regardless of flywheel you have....

jmaz87 · 02-03-2009, 07:34 AM

SO.....
does this mean I CAN USE 212mm?
napa lists 7 7/8, 8 3/8 , and i think 8 1/2

i just need to know if i can use a larger clutch!!!!!!!!!
i don't wanna take apart another corolla at the junker unless it is to jack an ae101 fly-wheel if necessary

toyotaspeed90 · 02-03-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaz87

SO.....
does this mean I CAN USE 212mm?
napa lists 7 7/8, 8 3/8 , and i think 8 1/2

i just need to know if i can use a larger clutch!!!!!!!!!
i don't wanna take apart another corolla at the junker unless it is to jack an ae101 fly-wheel if necessary

as I stated... the only way to truly know is to pull the trans off.... previous owner could have replaced the clutch and was told to replace the flywheel.... who knows what was or wasn't used.....

freakinbox · 02-03-2009, 04:43 PM

yeah the fun of owning an old car, finding out what the previous owner has changed... I haven't found anything on my car yet outside of stock. I wouldn't be to surprised if you found out it was the original clutch either. If your good to them they can last a LONG LONG time giving that oil doesn't leak onto them.

I thought it came up on here that the problem with running the larger clutch on the older 4af/4afe's was the bell housing wasn't large enough. Not sure myself as I've never done it, just really sure I've read it off here at some point in the past 3 years.

toyotaspeed90 · 02-03-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by freakinbox

yeah the fun of owning an old car, finding out what the previous owner has changed... I haven't found anything on my car yet outside of stock. I wouldn't be to surprised if you found out it was the original clutch either. If your good to them they can last a LONG LONG time giving that oil doesn't leak onto them.

I thought it came up on here that the problem with running the larger clutch on the older 4af/4afe's was the bell housing wasn't large enough. Not sure myself as I've never done it, just really sure I've read it off here at some point in the past 3 years.

wrong....

and if you had read through all of them you would have seen that I already stated that on the 6 bolt flywheels the physical size between the 200 and the 212 flywheels is identical. 8 bolt physical size of the flywheel is not the same.