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Old 03-12-2009, 04:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone had this experience? Corolla, 1990, 120,000 Kms. Won't start. Tow to the dealer. Next day the call. Batteries dead, you need a new battery. I inform that the battery is only 6 months old. They say, oh, OK, then it just needs to be charged. BUT, the reason it's dead is that you need a new alternator. Price? 425.00 labour included. Prior to that, the battery replacement was to be 140.000

Now, that's a total of 565.00

With a topped up battery, it starts and runs. I pay the service charge of 100.00 and leave with my car.

Just down the road is an Alternator Shop. That's what they do, that's all they do. They put this test device on the battery terminals and after two minutes,,, bad diodes.

I did this before on my 1980 Corolla many years ago. I can do this one too. Cost to me for the parts? 20.00 and two hours of time

Charge by the alternator guys was to be 60.00 dollars.

Is this typical of Toyota dealers?

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What's a w462?

Its typical of most shops, take the easy way out first; then if that's not the problem go for plan b.

These are pretty easy things to do for example: Batteries are easy to replace, disconnect old one, got to Autoparts store and buy new one, place on car, reconnect and go. If it dies again then you know it's the alternator... Money saved, then move to plan B.

Take alternator out of car (moderate to hard depending on location of alternator AND mechanical skills of owner), bring to rebuilder and get rebuild OR take to autoshop and trade in as core for new one, then go home and work backwards... Money saved = $150-600 depending on shop charges.
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I'm a mech. Anything you can do yourself for sure, do it. If you go to non-dealer shops, they can charge you UP TO dealer costs. Dealerships, they'll rape you so bad til your insides are out. That's any dealership.
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I'm thinking that the point is being missed. The dealer is supposed to be the expert in the cars they sell. They're supposed to be able to diagnose the problem,,, the REAL problem. I can't believe that they don't have any more expertise than the average, mechanically inclined Joe.

It appears to me that these folks deliberately lied as to what the problem with the car was to extract money for uneccesary work.

Seems to me there should be anger and outrage. I know it isn't as bad as the Bernie Madoff thing but isn't that where this kind of thing starts? We tolerate it as normal and then,,,,

Maybe we should all try to find out www.whatreallyhappened.com

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Hey, you could've complained to the service manager until you got your money back or a discount for them screwing up on the first time, you bought a battery when that wasn't the problem... get the old one back on the car and ask for your money back.

People do that all the time, the shops usually try to do a better job in those cases.
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Rant alert!

The misconception these days is that you are supposed to take your car to the dealer because they know more about them. WRONG!! I’ve talked to enough of these guys to know that half of them don’t know what they are doing.

To many dumb kids working at these places that only know how to plug there “dealer only” computer up to your car and if that doesn’t tell them what the issue is they start guessing and they sure don’t have the trouble shooting skills of the old mechanics.

Don’t feel bad, my father got screwed by the GM dealer because they installed a wrong fuel pump and sender in his truck and months later the fuel gauge stopped working and the truck wouldn’t high idle. $800 later and two weeks go by and they give it back saying they can’t find the problem! I guess they figured the old guy wouldn't say anything. Bastards. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that it’s fuel related so when I came into town I grabbed a proper pump and sender, installed it and voila, problem solved. Wrong sender and there time added up to over $1000 for nothing. No wonder GM is in the hole.

I should be sending them bills for the amount of times I’ve fixed problems a dealer has caused or can’t fix my family and friends issues.

Anyway, do like REN says and complain to the service manager, they might, and I mean might refund some of it.

I thought I should edit this because what I said was not to be taken that I think all people that work in dealers are dumb, but that in my experience I've run into many that have had a lack of knowledge of the vehicles they specialize in.

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I have to agree with red91sr5 there. Most people that work at a dealership (myself included) are not experts on the said product being sold. The only time I would ever take my car to a dealership is 1) if the service were highly discounted or free 2) if I had just bought a new car with a dealer service package. Most of the time these people will have little to no knowledge of our older cars. They are 20 years old or older. It is safe to say you know more about your car than they do. I do feel your pain about being taken for a ride, and I am not defending the dealership one bit, but a common response would be that you didn't have to take the car to them. You could have taken it to a different shop and they could have diagnosed it for you differently. At this point, I would say if you can reason with the service manager about what happened, then wonderful. If not, then lesson learned and make sure they know that you won't be coming back to them. Hopefully you will get something more than a high charged battery bill out of this. good luck!
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Hey, you could've complained to the service manager until you got your money back or a discount for them screwing up on the first time, you bought a battery when that wasn't the problem... get the old one back on the car and ask for your money back.

People do that all the time, the shops usually try to do a better job in those cases.
Well, here's the thing. It was the service manager, a middle aged lady who gave me a ride home and talked about how she and her hubby go to
Vegas twice a year. Hmmm. And it was she who, the next day when I called, said, right off, I absolutely needed a new battery. Later that day, her subordinate called telling me I needed a new alternator. I DID NOT go for it, as I explained, I went to the Alternator Shop.

But here's the thing and I explained to the dealer in detail the issue with my beloved Corrolla. Five years ago I needed a new wagon to replace my 1980 Corolla wagon that had some 320,000 Kms on it. That little beauty never, ever gave me a lick of trouble,,, not once. No computers, just points ignition, rear wheel drive, and an engine compartment that was easy to work on. The body rotted off, salt, winters etc. That marvelous little machine, I took care of but I was not a fanatic about it. Just the usual, once a year, oil, points, plugs etc. The only reall problem in all that time was that at some point, the battery kept dying on me. Several shops checked it out, the battery was good, just discharged. So after a weekend of going over it, I found that there was a plug, a BIG one going from the battery to the rest of the car. Externally it looked fine. Internally, it was corroded with a green cement. How it didn't slowly die I don't know but abruplty, I had battery problems. Once fixed, I ran it for another 3 years. One day I was at a stop light and some kids were laughing at my homemade car with lots of patches and spray bomb touchups. Mechanically, rock solid, body,,, toast.

So anyway, this 1990 vesion was OK till a good front ender required a 1000.00 dollar body job and frame straigtening. Since then, I get these intermittent, no starts. turn the key, nothing except some relay under the dash going off. Note that the starter solenoid is not what I hear, it's just some relay under the hood, clicking as I turn the key. If I leave the car alone for an hour, come back to it, it fires off no problem. I'll be good for a month or two and the little gremlin shows. Rain or shine, winter or summer, hot or cold, this intermittent shpws up with no seeming rhyme or reason.

Twice before, I got a new battery, once put in myself, once by a shop as I was out of town. I've had the starter brushes and contacts replaced. I had the alternator brushes and diodes replaced at the beginning. Now the diodes are gone again. Something seems to be eating diodes. So maybe I DO need a new alternator, maybe the windings are toast and frying the diodes.

But that relay I hear, It's there, somewhere but I can't find it. I have the Toyota manual for this car and it's not there. This is a wagon and that year, the wagons were imports from Japan, not Canadian built, so maybe I've got a Canadian manual that doesn't relate.

But you would think that if the diodes were bad and the battery wasn't being charged, that the idiot light on the dash would go on?

When my other wagon needed to be replaced, Toyota was no longer making a proper wagon. I agonized, looking for a newish wagon of any sort and there were a lot of Ford Escort wagons around. God, what a piece of shit. Handling was dangerous IMO. From first gear the auto tranny would bog the engine shifting into second, third was a weird delay. The used car guy asked, well, what do you think? I said, well, it's no Corrolla, and he didn't argue.

I can't for the life of me understand why or how anyone, test driving an Escort and then a Corrolla would, in his right mind, buy the former. The Escort I drove was not unusual in it's poor performance, I found out later.

Now where's that rant symbol,,, ah, there it is.

Sorry guys. I love engines, but I also just want reliable transportaion. There was a documentary a week ago, on TV, called, "Who Killed the Electric Car?" Built by GM with a unique battery that would outlast the car. A number of these were given out to test drive and all who did, loved it. GM took the cars back and destroyed them. They then sold the patent for the battery to big oil and we never heard of it again. And today, GM is on the ropes and begging for a bailout.

So we invade a few, backwater countries to secure oil supplies when it all didn't have to be. A million Iraqi ,men, women, children and babies killed in a war that was declared Mission Accomplished some 5 years ago. Say, just what WAS that mission? And then we cater to the Saudies, Kuwait, Bahrain, none of them democracies. And now, a certain, middle east country wants us to invade Iran for the same made up bullshit that got us into Iraq.

Go to www.globalresearch.ca and see what the www.buzzflash.com is all about. Look up Zeitgeist the Movie and Money as Debt and The Creature From Jekyll Island. The last IS a horror story but not what you might think.

I say throw all the bastards out,, on both sides of the border. Bernie Madoff is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I have to agree with red91sr5 there. Most people that work at a dealership (myself included) are not experts on the said product being sold. The only time I would ever take my car to a dealership is 1) if the service were highly discounted or free 2) if I had just bought a new car with a dealer service package. Most of the time these people will have little to no knowledge of our older cars. They are 20 years old or older. It is safe to say you know more about your car than they do. I do feel your pain about being taken for a ride, and I am not defending the dealership one bit, but a common response would be that you didn't have to take the car to them. You could have taken it to a different shop and they could have diagnosed it for you differently. At this point, I would say if you can reason with the service manager about what happened, then wonderful. If not, then lesson learned and make sure they know that you won't be coming back to them. Hopefully you will get something more than a high charged battery bill out of this. good luck!
Just curious does a new car owner have to get the Oil & Filter changes at a garage & keep the receipts to maintain the Warranty or could one just buy the proper Oil & Filter keep receipts & Do It Myself & record the Mileage?
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Just curious does a new car owner have to get the Oil & Filter changes at a garage & keep the receipts to maintain the Warranty or could one just buy the proper Oil & Filter keep receipts & Do It Myself & record the Mileage?

Nope, has to be at the dealer or an approved Warranty service center or you'll void the warranty. Most have markings put on the oil filters to make sure it hasn't been changed by someone else but them.
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as for dealers... The toyota dealer charged me ALOT of money to have a ball joint replaced and an alignment. At 160 an hour it got expensive FAST. Not only was the alginment worth a small fortune but they only did 3 out of the 4 wheels and when I went back because I was ticked they didn't mention it before I left the mechanic tried to get me to replace half the rear suspension components along with the arms to the wheels. Not going to get to far into it with why, but he was trying to rip me off thinking I was a stupid 19 year old....
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