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***SCT*** · 08-11-2009, 12:55 AM

What's the highest hp and/or torque any heard of that came out of a 4age? With turbo or without, whatevers done to it.

I'm planning on putting pistons, crankshaft and what not so I can throw in a turbo and get more power. Just wanted to know if it'll be worthless and stuff. If anyone asks, yea, I'm crazy. Tell me I can make 1000hp with the silver...

92MX83 · 08-11-2009, 04:53 AM

I think the old Toyota Formula Atlantic motors put out somewhere around 250-275 hp? All-motor, totally unstreetable, but it's a 4A-GE, so...

***REN69*** · 08-11-2009, 06:38 AM

Wasn't there a thread somewhere about an AE92 with a turbocharged GZE making about 5-550hp? I think so.

Flashmn · 08-11-2009, 07:22 AM

Formula atlantic is naturally aspirated, but certainly street driven, if you have the money to dish out, hasselgren sells them.

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Tell me I can make 1000hp with the silver...

Most likely not... even supras/skylines have a hard time getting there (very expensive), and thats with a 6 cyl 3 liter engine.

canadianae92 · 08-11-2009, 08:09 AM

Highest I heard was turbo 16v near 600 or something... in a ae86 the build is somewhere on club4ag

Pretty unreal power output for a 1600cc motor, I doubt there is much more to be had.

eage8 · 08-11-2009, 09:29 AM

You're really thinking about this the wrong way...

what is the highest hp fwd car you can think of? the Mazdaspeed3? the Focus RS? the SRT-4?

they have about 300ish hp max...

and besides the SRT-4, they have ridiculous systems to help keep the massive torque steer in check.

most experienced people say that maximum amount of usable hp you should have on a fwd car is about 200-250 hp. after that you need to start doing crazy stuff to keep from dying.

any more than 250hp you won't really be able to drive it. I knew a guy who had a 400 hp civic and would drive a vespa every day and the civic would just sit in the garage because it was impossible to drive...

RED91SR5 · 08-11-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eage8

You're really thinking about this the wrong way...

what is the highest hp fwd car you can think of? the Mazdaspeed3? the Focus RS? the SRT-4?

they have about 300ish hp max...

and besides the SRT-4, they have ridiculous systems to help keep the massive torque steer in check.

most experienced people say that maximum amount of usable hp you should have on a fwd car is about 200-250 hp. after that you need to start doing crazy stuff to keep from dying.

any more than 250hp you won't really be able to drive it. I knew a guy who had a 400 hp civic and would drive a vespa every day and the civic would just sit in the garage because it was impossible to drive...

Not to mention blowing CVs and expensive upgraded trannys, clutchs, etc all the time. FWD car's aren't ment to be real HP monsters. Now my 69 442 on the other hand.

buffalohunter7321 · 09-04-2009, 05:43 PM

I'am going to do the hybird motor to gane my hp. It consist of a 7afe short block with the bottem slightly redone, and the 4age head. The head is port and polished, 5 angled valve job, HKS 264 cams. metal head gasket, arp head studs, adjustable HKS cam gears, 2 1/2 exhaust with no cat and just a can, pace setter header. No egr valve. Looking to go from 130 hp to around 200. Will be tuned to run with out stand alone fuel system. Might use a 255 fuel pump, but will have to see how it runs first. New at this but I do have alife time of doing my own work on my own cars, mostly chevy's. But love to hurt people's feelings with my little FX-16. The motor is a big port from Japan. I don't mean to jack your thread, just telling you what I'am doing to my car...

toyotaspeed90 · 09-04-2009, 06:44 PM

thread = epic fail.... of epic proportions.

there's a difference between power and usable power.... 300hp is getting to that "unusable" power range....

canadianae92 · 09-05-2009, 11:15 AM

Looks to me like he was asking about the highest power possibilities though.
There isn't any production driveline parts that will handle much over 300hp for us fwd. Not to mention if we start putting down torque and hooking up(this is the biggest issue, traction) our little axles are bound to break. I don't know how much the gze trans and axles can handle but I doubt it can handle much more than 2x what it was produced to handle.

buffalohunter the pace setter header is shit, it is worse than the factory manifold not to mention after a good port. If you want a real header you need a custom one.

toyotaspeed90 · 09-05-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by canadianae92

Looks to me like he was asking about the highest power possibilities though.
There isn't any production driveline parts that will handle much over 300hp for us fwd. Not to mention if we start putting down torque and hooking up(this is the biggest issue, traction) our little axles are bound to break. I don't know how much the gze trans and axles can handle but I doubt it can handle much more than 2x what it was produced to handle.

buffalohunter the pace setter header is shit, it is worse than the factory manifold not to mention after a good port. If you want a real header you need a custom one.

uh, wrong.

an e51/e58 would take 500whp......

buffalohunter7321 · 09-05-2009, 08:40 PM

Like I said in another thread, this was and is my first ever header. It has been on my Fx-16 for about 2 years now. All the paint is burnt off it and it has survice rust on it. From what was said earlier about the orginal manifold, I'll probly go back to it. I'am not to good on fabercating. Just run it till it needs tobe changed. I've still have all of my old parts. By useing the header, even though you claim it doesn't add hp, it still is quite a weight reduction. As for being crap, it has been ok for me as far as I can tell.

canadianae92 · 09-06-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by toyotaspeed90

uh, wrong.

an e51/e58 would take 500whp......

I was not stating it as fact I did say I doubted. I still do actually.

You got proof I suppose?

toyotaspeed90 · 09-06-2009, 12:56 PM

internals on the e51 and e58 are almost identical to that of an e150/e153... which is what the camry v6 and turbo 2nd gen mr2's use... which are known for handling big power.

FYI to the person who wants to build a 7age... you will need to keep your aftermarket manifold and have it modified to fit over the 7a pan..... stock 4age nor 4afe parts will work.

canadianae92 · 09-06-2009, 01:20 PM

So is there any 500hp 2nd mr2s that are drag racing and hooking up with no drive line issues? WITH the factory transaxle?