Sprinter Trueno 3SGE swap - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

ghost_rider · 08-14-2009, 11:47 AM

hi guys

im totaly new in here,so forgive me if im asking too much silly question. im from Bangladesh.

I saw a AE92 Sprinter Trueno GT coupe for sale in a place near me..The previous owner has done a 4AGE silver top swap on it.The car is in moderate condition,not mint,not totally trash.I was planing to build a RWD turbo charged convertible with around 300hp or so under a tight budget. what do you think about this trueno?can this be my project car?or should i go with some other toyota?

in my country after market parts are unavailable. So i was planing an engine swap. how about putting a 3SGTE in the trueno? I know its very hard, but i might be able to take help from some skilled mechanics. but wont be able to gather parts from other manufactures (such as nissan,honda,mazda since those are not available in my country) i was also thinking about putting on a front mount intercooler with a BOV and a RAM/COLD air intake.recondition JDM toyota parts are widely available in my country. Suppose if i want a big brake update,then the thing to do will be putting a braking system from a bigger car (such as mark 2 or a chaser) in my corolla.

i think i will also be needing brake updates and suspension updates. is there anything els that i might be needing for the convention? im not much skilled in these factors but i have a few welders who will help. but i have to tell them in detail exactly what i want them to do.so i'll be needing as much help as i can get.

so please tell me what and what will i be needing,so i can do a calculation and figure out if its gonna fit in my budget,cause if it does,i have to buy the car soon before someone els takes it.

hope to hear from you guys soon

Rookie_One · 08-14-2009, 01:24 PM

no

its a FWD, so forget about it

ghost_rider · 08-14-2009, 02:31 PM

everything i have right now as a substitute is a FWD....so i think i have to skip the idea of RWD.

i have corollas(EE90,AE100,AE110,AE101) and some other toyotas,mostly all are with in 1.5L.all of those cost 2 to 3 times more than the trueno

so i think for the price,this will be good starting car,what do you suggest? can i do a 3SGTE swap in it?

***REN69*** · 08-14-2009, 02:58 PM

This thread failed the moment you mentioned FWD to RWD conversion.

ghost_rider · 08-14-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REN69

This thread failed the moment you mentioned FWD to RWD conversion.

Im sorry about that,i though these car are widely used to drag in japan so i thought they will be a easy to convert to RWD or may be already RWD. but FWD will also do since i dont have much options.

about making convertible, this car already have a sunroof,i will try to make it a T top convertible like the MR2 if possible.or els will just stick with the sun roof

so right now i just need performance,the 3SGTE swap,can it be done?

***REN69*** · 08-14-2009, 03:14 PM

There are RWD Corollas, pretty much any corolla series before the AE82 and AE92 were RWD.

The 3SGE/GTE swap has been done before, there are a couple of threads regarding that swap on the forums. I myself have seen 3SGTE swaps done on AE92 sedans and coupes, as well as 3SGE swaps done on AE102 sedans.

I've also seen the 3SGTE swap done on RWD cars but it involves a lot more parts, including custom bellhousings (big $$$) and a matching transmission (the W series transmissions come to mind).

ghost_rider · 08-14-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REN69

There are RWD Corollas, pretty much any corolla series before the AE82 and AE92 were RWD.

The 3SGE/GTE swap has been done before, there are a couple of threads regarding that swap on the forums. I myself have seen 3SGTE swaps done on AE92 sedans and coupes, as well as 3SGE swaps done on AE102 sedans.

I've also seen the 3SGTE swap done on RWD cars but it involves a lot more parts, including custom bellhousings (big $$$) and a matching transmission (the W series transmissions come to mind).

i tried to find them,but couldn't find any.can you help me finding one with some details??
or atleast guide me about the swap abit?

***REN69*** · 08-14-2009, 03:29 PM

The threads on the forum are more informative than a DIY as this is really a rare swap. It's pretty straight forward from what I've seen, one of the mounts does not fully match, the others do. Having the full wiring harness from the 3SGTE will save you tons of time trying to figure out hacked wiring. And of course the axles will be another headache as you'll have to find or figure out what axles will work (I know that was one of the problems on one of the threads, pretty recent one too).

do a search on "3sgte ae92" or "3sgte gts" etc.. that might give you a couple of the threads... I would keep going but I have to pick up my son at daycare.

Donald · 08-14-2009, 07:45 PM

What engine is in that Trueno?
Is that a 4A-GZE?

Nevermind I had a brain fart.

As far as the convertable, I think you will be looking at some major work to do that and keep the body from not flexing. I hope you are a mechanical engineer.

Blof-fan · 08-15-2009, 05:45 AM

The 3S-GTE swap can be done. But if you are, like you said, on a tight budget. Forget about it. It is most probably going to cost you twice as much as you would think or calculate at this time.

The swap is not to common and that is were the price kicks in. You would have to find out a lot on you're own and probably get hold of a lot of parts to see if they fit.
All these loose parts can really drive up the price.
You won't know you are going to need them untill you hit a problem, so you won't know in advance what that is going to cost you.

About the convertible idea. Espacially if you want to put more power in the car DON'T do it! You will weaken the structure of the car considerely! And the roof is not that easy to compansate in strenght in the rest of the car if you were thinking about just reinforcing the rest.

All in all. The AE92 sprinter is a nice car, but I don't think it would fit you're plans.
If I were you, and you really want a car that's RWD and convertible...look for a BMW or so if they are available in you country. That would have all what you want from a car.

Or go and see Leepu from the Bangla bangers

ghost_rider · 08-15-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donald

What engine is in that Trueno?
Is that a 4A-GZE?

Nevermind I had a brain fart.

As far as the convertable, I think you will be looking at some major work to do that and keep the body from not flexing. I hope you are a mechanical engineer.

right now it has a 4A-GE black top with silver tops intake header with in not so good condition.right now i think its giving around 100-110 bhp,cause the care felt slower than other silver tops.

i know cutting down the roof of a car is not that easy.thats why i was planing to get a MR2 or an MRS.there are only a few of them in the entire country

ghost_rider · 08-15-2009, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blof-fan

The 3S-GTE swap can be done. But if you are, like you said, on a tight budget. Forget about it. It is most probably going to cost you twice as much as you would think or calculate at this time.

The swap is not to common and that is were the price kicks in. You would have to find out a lot on you're own and probably get hold of a lot of parts to see if they fit.
All these loose parts can really drive up the price.
You won't know you are going to need them untill you hit a problem, so you won't know in advance what that is going to cost you.

About the convertible idea. Espacially if you want to put more power in the car DON'T do it! You will weaken the structure of the car considerely! And the roof is not that easy to compansate in strenght in the rest of the car if you were thinking about just reinforcing the rest.

All in all. The AE92 sprinter is a nice car, but I don't think it would fit you're plans.
If I were you, and you really want a car that's RWD and convertible...look for a BMW or so if they are available in you country. That would have all what you want from a car.

Or go and see Leepu from the Bangla bangers

bmws are very rare,a few thats here r way to big for me.some very old 7 series. since its a toyoa country,i have use more or less all toyota parts.so i was thinking going with toyota will be a better option. i can use corollas,but i don't think that will make much of a difference,will it?but the sprinter was a coupe.so liked it more for that reason.

me and my mechanic could have got a better idea if we could see some detailed pictures of a convention.but i cant find any of them online

***REN69*** · 08-15-2009, 10:53 AM

I don't think there's ever been one... like I said, your best bet is finding an older corolla... older than 1987 anyways as those are already RWD.

Blof-fan · 08-15-2009, 12:43 PM

Maybe a Celica is a better option than? There were some Convertibles made of those...older ones have RWD and a lot of them are already 2 litres.
If it has a 3S-GE...a 3S-GTE swap would be no problem at all

ghost_rider · 08-15-2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blof-fan

Maybe a Celica is a better option than? There were some Convertibles made of those...older ones have RWD and a lot of them are already 2 litres.
If it has a 3S-GE...a 3S-GTE swap would be no problem at all

celicas are not that much available in here. the one which is available are priced way too much

let me give you guys a link if that is allowed.

im talking about this car -- http://www.clickbd.com/classified/cl...mNumber=108795

there are some other cars as well in their,but all exceeding my budget