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65Pontiac · 08-15-2010, 10:01 PM

alright i cant find what im looking for.

i am redoing my suspension and im stuck on what to use. i cant find GT-S front strut assembly anywhere and that is what i planned on using with KYB inserts or Tokico inserts with Eibach sports.

i read that you can use second gen MR2 struts somewhere. i dont know if it was here or another forum. please correct me if im wrong.

i know you can use ae101 struts on the fronts are these equal to ae92 sedan struts?

if i use MR2 struts( if it is possible) will it lower it at all and will it rub on the stock tire/wheel combo?

i feel since the GT-S struts are thicker they will be a durable, longer lasting stock replacements than sedan struts would be.

the car is my daily but i wont mind a stiffer ride

my plan was to get GT-S front/rear struts with front/rear sway bars.

any other cars i can use the fronts from?

rdyzz · 08-16-2010, 07:21 AM

ae82 fx-16... i actually have a spare...

eage8 · 08-16-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 65Pontiac

alright i cant find what im looking for.

i am redoing my suspension and im stuck on what to use. i cant find GT-S front strut assembly anywhere and that is what i planned on using with KYB inserts or Tokico inserts with Eibach sports.

i read that you can use second gen MR2 struts somewhere. i dont know if it was here or another forum. please correct me if im wrong.

using koni yellows from fronts in rear.

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i know you can use ae101 struts on the fronts are these equal to ae92 sedan struts?

you have to use AE101 springs with them, they springs are different sizes

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if i use MR2 struts( if it is possible) will it lower it at all and will it rub on the stock tire/wheel combo?

don't know, rdyzz used ground control sleeves

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i feel since the GT-S struts are thicker they will be a durable, longer lasting stock replacements than sedan struts would be.

the car is my daily but i wont mind a stiffer ride

my plan was to get GT-S front/rear struts with front/rear sway bars.

any other cars i can use the fronts from?

I have a set of APEX springs for sale if you want to buy them

rdyzz · 08-16-2010, 03:37 PM

i did use mr2 strut cartidges. however if you were going to i would advise you use the struts from the rear of the mr2. since a stock mr2's rear spring rate is close to 200lb it should work well with any lowering springs.

i used an ae82 fx-16 strut housing (long story)... im running 195/50/15 so my sidewall is pretty thin. espically streached some on a 8" wide rim. the apex springs are probabally the lowest drop springs for the ae92. i had eibachs and they were to high still, however they did give that car somewhat more of a sporty feel.

the corolla rear gr-2 will work for awhile since they dont have to work that hard anyways. if you are going to upgrade i would suggest you do it to the fronts. there are some kyb agx that will cost you $30 more then the gr-2. they are off of an sw20 mr2. however if you went with koni you should just stick to corolla hardware. i've only done weird setups because i wanted to experiment.

***REN69*** · 08-16-2010, 08:39 PM

Cartridge is the same as the SW MR2s the casing I think is different....

65Pontiac · 08-16-2010, 09:02 PM

i appreciate the replies, you cleared it up a lot for me and i have a plan i think lol..

so SW20 rear struts up front and KYB AGX's out back with APEX springs is a good set up??

the tops will be the same as the Corolla or do i have to pick up the MR2 tops ?

rdyzz · 08-16-2010, 10:47 PM

im sure the sw20 struts have the same slits at the top mount. you might be stuck with the kyb gr-2's in the rears. have no worries however they don't work to hard. especially not with eibachs anyways. if you want to use anything other than kyb gr-2's for the rears, you will have to cut them and reweld a threaded top, kinda like how the fronts are setup. the corolla fronts do fit in the rear if you cut them and are doing it this way. they will need to be spaced, however the agx cartridge will not fix the housing. well they might if you hone it. i had this problem with mine. it fit so snug that i had to turn/rotate it sliding it in and out. it would only go in 1/3 of the way in before it got snagged by the flat spot the swaybar tab creates. im not sure every thhing mady sense, im posting this up kinda quick.... gotta go to sleep......

again kyb agx only made for the sw20 mr2. they will fit the front ae92 housing... the ae92 rear strut is a sealed strut. only available strut for rear is kyb gr-2 or oem. you can cut/weld a threaded top onto the rear to make it accept a cartridge after you gut it. koni is also avalible, you also need to gut the rears to use koni.

koni's are avalible for the ae92. but im guessing your on a lower budget. in that case i would just do sw20 gr-2 rear struts up front and stay with a rear ae92 gr-2 or cut it and use a front ae92 gr-2. with increase spring rates these should match up the best.

eage8 · 08-17-2010, 10:41 AM

why are you using the SW-20 rear struts up front?

the AGX cartridge for the front SW-20 struts drops right into the GT-S front strut.

for the rear you can either do GR-2s, or koni yellows in cut up stock struts (they come with directions) or something custom

the rear GR-2s with APEX springs on my car was fine, it's the fronts that couldn't take the lowering and blew because they have less travel. I think AGXs in the front with GR-2s in the back would be fine.

that's what a lot of people run (I think REN and Donald are both running it)

65Pontiac · 08-17-2010, 12:34 PM

i have a sedan, i cant find the GT-S front struts anywhere thats why i would use the MR2 strut housing in the front correct?

isnt that what rdyzz was saying because they have a spring rate of around 200lbs and should work well with lowering springs and use KYB GR-2's for a GT-S in the rear?

i could even just use Koni yellows and drop them into the STOCK sedan strut housing and they will work fine with lowering springs? i dont have to replace the housing too??

eage8 · 08-17-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 65Pontiac

i have a sedan, i cant find the GT-S front struts anywhere thats why i would use the MR2 strut housing in the front correct?

isnt that what rdyzz was saying because they have a spring rate of around 200lbs and should work well with lowering springs and use KYB GR-2's for a GT-S in the rear?

i could even just use Koni yellows and drop them into the STOCK sedan strut housing and they will work fine with lowering springs? i dont have to replace the housing too??

I think your rear struts are probably the same, I can measure my GT-S rear struts tomorrow though to make sure.

if your front struts are cartridge type you can probably use the non-GTI version of the koni yellows up front (they make 2 different front cartridges.)

konis are about $200 per strut though...

the problem with useing MR2 housings is I doubt the spring perch is the same, rddyz was using ground controls so he wasn't using the stock spring perch...

rdyzz · 08-17-2010, 06:02 PM

my reasoning for the mr2 rears up front is because the sw20 came with 100lb springs in the front and 200lb springs in the rear. this would be closer to what an aftermarket spring will be for the ae92. since most aftermarket springs are anywhere from 150-180lb in front. i do have to say that this is only concerning the use with the gr-2. it does not concern the agx. if you are using the agx i would use the ones from the mr2 fronts. PN-765015. they are actually quite stiff for the mr2, reason being is the mr2 has no engine in the front. these were orignally designed for the 88-89 celicas. so they will work just fine for the ae92 since the 88-89 celica share almost the same springs, in the case of eibach its actually the same PN.

as for the rears i used the corolla fronts. and as eage8 said i am using ground control sleaves back there and cut my spring seats off. my idea was that it would not be so bad to use the gr-2's that was meant for the ae92's here. i used the corolla fronts there after i modified it to accept a cartridge. i had to use a spacer also. one problem you might run into is that the corolla front strut has a shorter shaft. so its risky and is just an idea im throwing out. what could happen is that the shaft is shorter so it might preload the spring to much causing the rear to sit lower than the front. so take my advice with modifying the rears with caution. it worked for me because i have full height adjustable suspension parts.

sorry if i keep repeating myself, but i just wanna make sure i'm clear so you dont make any mistakes that might cost you. i wish i had some mr2 strut cases laying around i would love to see if they actually bolt onto the spindle, reason being is if they do, that just means you can use mr2 coilovers. mr2's have alot more coilover choices.....

65Pontiac · 08-17-2010, 10:06 PM

alright guys i appreciate it very much and thank you. you both cleared it up for me a lot and ill follow and keep in mind what you both said so i dont make a costly mistake.

i will keep it posted and all and update the thread with pictures.

again thank you and i greatly appreciate you both taking the time out to explain it

65Pontiac · 11-03-2010, 03:19 PM

so i picked up front and rear mr2 strut housings, springs, and mounts for around 60 bucks. think they will bolt up? im going to see later

i dont think they will but doesnt hurt to check if anything i can resell them

***REN69*** · 11-03-2010, 08:12 PM

no... only the fronts will work.

65Pontiac · 11-03-2010, 08:53 PM

im repeating what you just said but i want to be sure before i start working on it...

only the front strut housing/assembly/casing from th mr2 will fit on the front of the corolla correct the rear will not? i understand why the rear wont. i only expect the fronts to work atleast.

i just want to be sure so sorry if im getting annoying