1.6 drop b&G ae92 - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

levin_GTZ · 11-16-2010, 10:03 PM

hey guys
before puting my car away today i notice that my car was leaning on 1 side and i inspected and it my springs !. i dont know how much my car is lowered ( the drp come from Japan) . i looked B&G they drop 1.6 inch all around . i waned to see some pics of ae92 wit 1.6 drop ! post pics guys thanks

***SCT*** · 11-17-2010, 09:21 PM

I heard B&G weren't so good for springs. I'll be getting coilovers (hopefully).

eage8 · 11-18-2010, 10:42 AM

I had B+Gs and didn't like them. They dropped the front more than the back. I was probably riding on the front bumpstops.

if your car is leaning to one side (left to right, not front to back) than it might just be a blown strut. how old are they? or one of your springs might be sagging but this is less likely

levin_GTZ · 11-18-2010, 10:48 AM

the shocks are brand new . not even 1000 km! i think am gonna get ground control even thought they are more expensif ! i see you have ground control on yours are they good ?

eage8 · 11-18-2010, 11:19 AM

how much do you want to drop the car? GCs are great, but you can't lower on them that much because you'll run out of suspension travel.

If you want to lower a lot I'd suggest getting some Tein or JIC coilovers.

GCs are great if you already have good shocks and you want to be able to change around the spring rates. I have very stiff springs on mine. 9.3 Kg/mm up front and 10.7 kg/mm in the back, and also very nice shocks (koni yellows are $200 per corner)

GREY_JDMAE92 · 11-18-2010, 05:55 PM

Thats why Tein Coilovers are the way to go. Check out My Baby on Tein S.Techs. P.s They Only Costed 200

***REN69*** · 11-18-2010, 07:42 PM

My old car... on APEX 1.7" drop

rdyzz · 11-19-2010, 07:20 AM

yes as eage8 said you cannot go very low with ground control. in my case the lowest i was able to go was about 2.5 finger gap. after this every bump would hit the bumpstop. i was using 195/50/15 so the sidewall might not be as beefy as a 205/50/15, this would have somthing to do with why i had a 2.5 finger gap.

the only way to go lower is a short body coilover. with a homemade short stroke using racing koni struts and cut/weld casing you might be able to go 1.5 finger gap. i say this because i looked into this option before i just ended up buying a short bodied coilover for my front. the shortest i saw in the koni catalog was only 15mm difference.

btw eage8 how is your new spring setup working for you?

aj_gilbs · 11-19-2010, 11:33 AM

Just so you guys know, those of you after more performance than looks, you don't need to lower your car a ton. Just simply lowering does not do much for handling, and can actually hurt your cars suspension geometry if you over lower it, especially with our cars since they have McPherson struts. Really you shouldn't need to lower more than like 1-1.5" unless you take the time to correct the suspension geometry. Race cars are low because they were built specifically to be that way. Our cars weren't. Not that I'm bashing on super low cars, just letting you know for those after handling more than looks.

Here's a good article to explain.
The Ultimate Handling Guide Part V: The One Unforgivable Sin, Overlowering Your Car

levin_GTZ · 11-19-2010, 04:42 PM

seriously guys i think am lower then that! am on 14" and i could barely fit 3 fingers ! heres a picture of my car and you guys judge how low i am . i love the way my car is lowered . http://s817.photobucket.com/albums/z...tToyota096.jpg

rdyzz · 11-19-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aj_gilbs

Just so you guys know, those of you after more performance than looks, you don't need to lower your car a ton. Just simply lowering does not do much for handling, and can actually hurt your cars suspension geometry if you over lower it, especially with our cars since they have McPherson struts. Really you shouldn't need to lower more than like 1-1.5" unless you take the time to correct the suspension geometry. Race cars are low because they were built specifically to be that way. Our cars weren't. Not that I'm bashing on super low cars, just letting you know for those after handling more than looks.

Here's a good article to explain.
The Ultimate Handling Guide Part V: The One Unforgivable Sin, Overlowering Your Car

honestly if i was concerned with geometry i would not lower the car at all. if you actually read any of the older post, there are some brainstorming ideas on how to correct the rca of our lowered cars. you see the rear isn't a problem lowered, however the fronts are. theres 2 ways to counteract over lowering. 1. rca. or 2. run really stiff springs and tires that can take advantage of those springs. honestly proper geometry is most important when your on street tires with softer rate springs. when your car bearly roll's its not that big a deal.

also its not just about overlowering or what not. overlowering with stock bodied struts = no damper travel. with no damper travel your suspension isn't doing jack. this is why you go for short bodied coilovers. then again this messes with the droop travel. anyways i would actually like to see how much damper travel aftermarket springs have left.

i know some springs sag after awhile. that might be the case. is there alot of weight on that corner? passenger, driver? also i wouldn't be suprise if you are already riding on the bumpstops. when my car was that low on the stock front struts i had maybe 5-10mm of damper travel.

eage8 · 11-19-2010, 10:32 PM

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btw eage8 how is your new spring setup working for you?

Mine are great. I cut my bump stops when I installed them so I have about an inch or so of travel, maybe a little more (I don't really remember) and I'm a little higher than I was with my APEXs maybe 2 fingers w/ 205s

I seem to have a fairly high treshhold for springs though. I have my konis set on full stiff (their rebound adj. only) and it's ok... they could probably use a bit of a revalve. I've heard 600 lbs springs are the max they can handle, some people say 550s, I would say that range is about right.

rdyzz, you should look into advance design (I think that's what their called) cartridges. that's what the guy on ae92gts.com was going to try. they're double adjustable and make nice sizes.

eage8 · 11-19-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rdyzz

i know some springs sag after awhile. that might be the case. is there alot of weight on that corner? passenger, driver? also i wouldn't be suprise if you are already riding on the bumpstops. when my car was that low on the stock front struts i had maybe 5-10mm of damper travel.

yeah... I would guess you're sitting on my bump stops and one of them split or something so now you're sitting lower on the one with the busted bump stop...

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Originally Posted by rdyzz

2. run really stiff springs and tires that can take advantage of those springs.

+1 That's my setup

A McPherson fwd setup is pretty much the worst case scenario when it comes to suspension tuning... the best plan is just to make it move as little as possible haha